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RE: Winter-Spring 2008: The Republican and Democratic Primaries and Caucuses thread.
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Lord_Vivec
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DarthLassic007
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Hypothetically speaking, if Hillary passes the "magic number" of 2118 delegates before the convention, what will be the reason used (out of these two choices only) to nominate Obama anyway?
1) Obama got to 2118 first.
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2) Obama received more delegates even though they both passed the "magic number".
Just curious. This is hypothetically speaking only.
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Souderwan
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Vengance1003
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DarthLassic007 posted:
Hypothetically speaking, if Hillary passes the "magic number" of 2118 delegates before the convention, what will be the reason used (out of these two choices only) to nominate Obama anyway?
1) Obama got to 2118 first.
or
2) Obama received more delegates even though they both passed the "magic number".
Just curious. This is hypothetically speaking only.
I don't think she can since I think 2118 is the majority, so you can't have two or more people have more than it.
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DarthLassic007
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Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC projects Obama the winner of Montana.
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DarthLassic007
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Vengance1003 posted:
I don't think she can since I think 2118 is the majority, so you can't have two or more people have more than it.
I know. I was just curious. I don't think there's too many undecides superdelegates left. It was a dumb hypo. 
EDIT:
It will be funny to see how many excuses Hillary uses if she does take it to the convention in hoping Obama does slip up.
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KnightWriter
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6/3 7:26pm
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Andrew Sullivan:
The speech tonight was a remarkable one for a candidate who has lost the nomination, though not remarkable for a Clinton. It was an assertion that she had won the nomination and a refusal to concede anything to her opponent. Classless, graceless, shameless, relentless. Pure Clinton.
Her narcissism requires that she deprive her opponent of a night, or a second, of gratification or attention. And she has now won, in her Bush-like version of reality, 18 million votes. Her invitation for her supporters to email their suggestions to her website is pure theater, a way of keeping herself in the spotlight and maneuvering her delegates to demand a second spot on the ticket. The way she is now doing this - by an implicit threat, backed by McCain, to claim that Obama is an illegitimate nominee if she does not get her way - is designed to humiliate the nominee sufficiently to wound him enough to lose the election.
Either way, she is clearly intent on getting Obama defeated this fall if she is not offered the vice-presidency. And if she gets the veep nod, the way she has gotten it will allow her to argue that a November loss was not her loss. It was his. And she will run again in 2012.
She will not go away. The Clintons will never go away. And they will do all they can to cripple any Democrat who tries to replace them. In the tent or out of it, it is always about them. And they are no longer rivals to Obama; they are threats.
She is poison.
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You know, I love that Hillary math - she claims the 'popular vote' but disregards the states that have caucuses as apposed to straight popular vote...
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DarthLassic007
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And if she gets the veep nod, the way she has gotten it will allow her to argue that a November loss was not her loss. It was his. And she will run again in 2012.
Damn. Either way, she wins.
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DarthLassic007 posted:
And if she gets the veep nod, the way she has gotten it will allow her to argue that a November loss was not her loss. It was his. And she will run again in 2012.
Damn. Either way, she wins.
Rather Palpatine-ish, no?
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Lank_Pavail
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States that she didn't win don't count as much to her. If Florida and Michigan had gone for Obama, she'd have dragged her heels as much as possible to keep their votes from counting. It's only because she won there and she was losing that it suddenly becomes important to 'count every vote'.
Clintons, Hillary and Bill both, have not changed. I'm not sure they can. They are vitriolic, and sadly, I fear that column is right, and they will try to burn down the party to spite them for daring not to chose her.
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Lank_Pavail posted:
States that she didn't win don't count as much to her. If Florida and Michigan had gone for Obama, she'd have dragged her heels as much as possible to keep their votes from counting. It's only because she won there and she was losing that it suddenly becomes important to 'count every vote'.
Clintons, Hillary and Bill both, have not changed. I'm not sure they can. They are vitriolic, and sadly, I fear that column is right, and they will try to burn down the party to spite them for daring not to chose her.
Well, it's more than that. They honestly believe they're the ones to save the party and the country, and they're the only ones who can do it. Obama is a mistake in their minds, and can't win.
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That's what you get for putting people like them in power to begin with.
Obama's no different, in my mind. He just happens to be winning.
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I'm some-what scared for the election in November, now. Hillary is desperate, angry, and wants revenge. I'm scared at what she'll do to either see that she gets the nomination at the convention, or to ensure that Obama loses so she can run in 2012.
Congratulations, Obama. You deserve it, and finally we'll get someone in the White House to restore dignity to the White House, a strong foreign policy, and economic policies that work for all Americans.
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