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Souderwan
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6/3 8:16pm
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I know this, Lassic. It's the "making" part that is disturbing. It suggests that they aren't (they are) and that he (using the coercive arm of the government) is going to determine just how they will invest said profits.
Anyway. I'm definitely in the minority on that point, I'm sure.
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Valyn
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DarthLassic007 posted:
I think a lot more people would be willing to accept Obama for who he is if he had more political experience. More people would overlook Obama's "ego" if it was coming from someone like Kerry. A lot of people think (maybe rightfully so) that Obama is too young and too inexperienced to run for President so soon.
I forgot where I heard this, but it was earlier in the campaign and someone on TV had mentioned how Bush and Cheney had tons of experience...and look what good it did us.
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DarthLassic007
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Souderwan posted:
I know this, Lassic. It's the "making" part that is disturbing. It suggests that they aren't (they are) and that he (using the coercive arm of the government) is going to determine just how they will invest said profits.
Anyway. I'm definitely in the minority on that point, I'm sure.
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So when I heard him talking about "making Oil companies reinvest their record profits", for example, I felt like I was in that Twilight Zone episode where everyone was ugly but that had become the norm so our version of attractive was actually gross to everyone.
Stealing from Jack in order to pay Jim has always been attractive to Americans, and Democrats in particular. After all, they're convinced that businesses are out to steal our money.
Of course, the problem is that some corporations are that shady--but you'd think that someone as well-educated as Obama would know better than to paint everything with the same brush. Otherwise anything bad about Hillary or Bush should apply to him because they're in the same field, right?
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Souderwan
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Of course, the problem is that some corporations are that shady--but you'd think that someone as well-educated as Obama would know better than to paint everything with the same brush. Otherwise anything bad about Hillary or Bush should apply to him because they're in the same field, right?
Indeed. Of course, few people realize that there are over 12,000,000 establishments and firms in the US--over 1,000,000 of which are "big businesses" (having over 500 employees). We hear about the shady dealings of what? 20? 30? Even assuming that's underreporting by 500%, that's still no more than 200 "bad" companies out of 12,000,000. Do we really need the government to come in and frak over the good guys so that people can feel good about sticking it to the one or two bad ones?
Don't answer that. The answer will probably depress me.
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DarthLassic007
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I don't mind the giant corporations that make record profits. This is America. Good for them. What I hate are the corporations like Enron, Tyco International, and WorldCom that lie, steal, and cheat their own employees and investors out of their life savings. And despite what Ron Paul says, I believe that the 2002 SOX Act was the right thing to do. SOX might put us at a disadvantage with foreign corporations on some levels, but at least places stricter standards on public companies.
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Hillary Clinton, class act 'till the end.
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Souderwan
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DarthLassic007 posted:
I don't mind the giant corporations that make record profits. This is America. Good for them. What I hate are the corporations like Enron, Tyco International, and WorldCom that lie, steal, and cheat their own employees and investors out of their life savings. And despite what Ron Paul says, I believe that the 2002 SOX Act was the right thing to do. SOX might put us at a disadvantage with foreign corporations on some levels, but at least places stricter standards on public companies.
I don't have a problem with prosecuting companies like Enron and Tyco. I have no problem with having laws in place that enable us to seek those companies out and take them down.
My point is simply that those companies are the exception, rather than the rule. The way guys like Obama and Clinton talk, you'd think "big business" was made up of nothing but nefarious characters with long mustaches (that they twirl while laughing maniacally, of course) who steal candies from sleeping children. That sort of attitude is simply not supported by the facts. You'd have to try really hard to name more than 4 or 5 companies that are even close to companies like Enron in their business practices. Are there bad companies? Of course. Do they represent the typical big business? Not even close.
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Nevertheless - I don't think it's unfair to target businesses with extremely heavy profits for extra taxation. Because at the end of the day, profit means what? After everyone's gotten their paycheck, there's money left over. It's not necessarily stealing, then, in the case of energy - because the profit used for growth with contribute to increased rate of depletion of a nonrenewable resource, right?
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But it is if the money is forcibly "reinvested"--that is stealing for the sake of stealing. It'll be legal, sure, but it'd do nothing good-especially if we see the taxation thrown into the pump price.
The only justifiable reason to take a larger chunk of oil company profits is if there's evidence of misconduct.
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Suzuki_Akira
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I thought what he was suggesting was a tax on pollutants(reinvesting then being a figure of speech), I may have misinterpreted.
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Oil companies are war profiteers and should be treated as such. White-collar criminals should go to the same prisons and should get the same punishments as the guy who robs a liquor store. Kenneth Lay should have gotten life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, and if a guy gets the death penalty for killing 7 people, what should the guy who destroys a million lives by raiding pensions get? That is all.
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Spaceman_Spiff posted:
Oil companies are war profiteers and should be treated as such. White-collar criminals should go to the same prisons and should get the same punishments as the guy who robs a liquor store. Kenneth Lay should have gotten life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, and if a guy gets the death penalty for killing 7 people, what should the guy who destroys a million lives by raiding pensions get? That is all.
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