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zacparis
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* Learned times, peace, and prosperity: Francis Bacon argued that atheism was partly caused by "Learned times, specially with peace and prosperity; for troubles and adversities do more bow men’s minds to religion."[12]
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TwiLekJedi
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wait, that's not a joke site? whoa
though I'd buy the "poor relationship with father" thing
if I'm an atheist - I never bothered to find out
Vengance1003 posted:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Search?search=Human+evoltuion&go=Go
lol
even better - normal wiki probably doesn't have a page on evoltuion either
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VadersLaMent
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Yeah, for the first week of its existance I would read other forums I lurk at and people were not sure if it was satire or not. In fact I started a thread on it when it debuted. Alas, hey are serious.
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Your thread was how I found it.
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rsterling78
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As a generally conservative fellow myself, let me say that this website represents the religious right wing which is NOT the same thing as mainstream conservatism. My favorite quote:
Poor relationship with father: Some argue that a troubled/non-existent relationship with a father may influence one of the causes of atheism.
Yeah. Fossil and genetic evidence of evolution through natural selection? The incompatibility of a omniscient, omnibenevolent God with the human condition? The myriad and mutually inconsistent faiths (both extant and extinct) of various human civilizations? The self-evidence of an impersonal universe run by chance and natural laws?
Naaaahhh! It's because daddy-o was too busy at work to throw around the ol' baseball with junior on Saturdays.
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DarthPoojaNaberrie
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bumping a thread you created days later is bad form 
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Eleventh_Guard
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That also totally explains why many atheists have religious siblings.
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DarthPoojaNaberrie posted:
bumping a thread you created days later is bad form
To be honest, I think the whole thread is in bad form.
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VadersLaMent
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Rebellion: Atheism stems from a deliberate choice to ignore the reality of God's existence [1] (If there was a God, there wouldn't be so much suffering.)[2]
 None of that has anything to do with rebellion. Conservapedia does not have a dictionary?
Moral depravity: Moral depravity has been demonstrated in the atheist community through history and through various studies. In addition, Bible exegesis points to the moral depravity of atheists. Therefore, moral depravity is certainly one of the prime causes of atheism.
When you click on the link for "history and various studies we find nothing but some Bible quotes:
"The Bible asserts that "The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good." (Psalms 14:1 (KJV)). The biblical fool is said to be lacking in sound judgment and the biblical fool is also associated with moral depravity. For example, the biblical book of Proverbs states: "A wise man is cautious and turns away from evil, But a fool is arrogant and careless. etc etc"
Yeah, that's a hell of a source for 'studies' on this topic.
Superficiality: Noted ex-atheist and psychologist Dr. Paul Vitz has stated that he had superficial reasons for becoming an atheist such as the desire to be accepted by his Stanford professors who were united in disbelief regarding God
Bull. If this is true then he really wasn't an atheist just as an atheist is not really religious if he or she goes to church just to be with friends.
Error: Some argue that atheism partly stems from a failure to fairly and judiciously consider the facts
Error: Some argue that religion partly stems from a failure to fairly and judiciously consider the facts.
State churches: In regards to the causes of atheism, rates of atheism are much higher in countries with a state sanctioned religion (such as many European countries), and lower in states without a sanctioned religion (such as the United States). Some argue this is because state churches become bloated, corrupt, and/or out of touch with the religious intuitions of the population, while churches independent of the state are leaner and more adaptable. It is important to distinguish "state-sanctioned churches," where participation is voluntary, from "state-mandated churches" (such as Saudi Arabia) with much lower atheism rates because publicly admitted atheism is punishable by death.
This comes across to me as a shot at European churches and their declining attendance.
Poor relationship with father: Some argue that a troubled/non-existent relationship with a father may influence one of the causes of atheism.[6] Dr. Paul Vitz wrote a book entitled Faith of the Fatherless in which he points out that after studying the lives of more than a dozen leading atheists he found that a large majority of them had a father who was present but weak, present but abusive, or absent.[7][8] Dr. Vitz also examined the lives of prominent theists who were contemporaneous to their atheist counterparts and from the same culture and in every instance these prominent theists had a good relationship with his father.[9] Dr. Vitz has also stated other common factors he observed in the leading atheists he profiled: they were all intelligent and arrogant.[
From time to time, and folks like Darth Brooks are guilty of this, I hear people accuse Wikipedia of having a liberal slant. If Wikipedia is slanted then Conservapedia is so slanted that you could ski jump off it based on this last entry alone. Atheists have daddy problems and they are arrogant. Ohhhhh, just the 12 which account for all then. What a jerk.
Division in religion: According to Francis Bacon, atheism is caused by "divisions in religion, if they be many; for any one main division addeth zeal to both sides, but many divisions introduce atheism."
Good use of the word "addeth" here.
Learned times, peace, and prosperity: Francis Bacon argued that atheism was partly caused by "Learned times, specially with peace and prosperity; for troubles and adversities do more bow men’s minds to religion."
I almost agree but this is really a shady way of saying there are no atheists in foxholes.
Negative experiences with theists
I'm sure this could be the case for some but for others it could actualy strengthen their own faith.
The advance of scientific knowledge: Science has in many ways become a new God.
First part is right, second part is another talking point as theists attempt to level the palying field.
Note 2 in the Conservapedia article has interesting replies.
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