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Andalite-Bandit
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5/15 9:38pm
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Darth_Guy
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You know who are probably smarter (or at least more qualified to decide the legality of such things)? The Supreme Court justices with law degrees and years (likely decades) of legal experience.
But, hey, that's just what I think.
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DarthButt
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5/15 9:45pm
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Oh I dunno... maybe a hell of a lot of people who previously decided against it?? But maybe they aren't smart enough, if you want to raise that argument.
My thing is 1) it's against the will of the people, and 2) it's not marriage. Civil unions, yes, I support that. Calling it marriage? No.
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Jediflyer
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DarthButt posted:
Oh I dunno... maybe a hell of a lot of people who previously decided against it?? But maybe they aren't smart enough, if you want to raise that argument.
My thing is 1) it's against the will of the people, and 2) it's not marriage. Civil unions, yes, I support that. Calling it marriage? No.
But California's legislature passed it twice.
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Andalite-Bandit
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Why? Why get so caught up in the definition of the word marriage? Seems so trivial.
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Neo-Paladin
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GrandAdmiralJello posted:
Neo-Paladin posted:
Perhaps our resident Romanophile could enlighten us regarding the practice of Usus marriages?
Technically confarreatio came first.
I assume by "came first" you mean it historically happened earlier. This is of course irrelevant to what usus marriages actually were. As I understand, confarreatio was mostly practiced by the patricians. Meanwhile, the usus marriages were without ceremony or religious connotation and were, for much of Roman history, the most common type marriage among the majority of the inhabitants of Rome.
I'd find it odd if an arrangement similar to usus didn't predate the establishment of Rome altogether, but I admit I'm no authority on Etruscan history.
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Darth_Guy
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Jediflyer posted:
DarthButt posted:
Oh I dunno... maybe a hell of a lot of people who previously decided against it?? But maybe they aren't smart enough, if you want to raise that argument.
My thing is 1) it's against the will of the people, and 2) it's not marriage. Civil unions, yes, I support that. Calling it marriage? No.
But California's legislature passed it twice.
Yeah, but obviously our beloved action star of a governor was carrying out the will of the people all by himself.
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Darth_Guy posted:
You know who are probably smarter (or at least more qualified to decide the legality of such things)? The Supreme Court justices with law degrees and years (likely decades) of legal experience.
But, hey, that's just what I think.
You're just happy because now you can get married in CA. Darth_Gay, LOL.
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Darth_Guy
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Well, obviously!
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GrandAdmiralJello
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Neo-Paladin posted:
I'd find it odd if an arrangement similar to usus didn't predate the establishment of Rome altogether, but I admit I'm no authority on Etruscan history.
Well, the ideas behind it are particularly Roman. Just as the state religion involved contracts with the gods, then so did marriage involve a contract--even unwritten--between two partners. I can't imagine that usus as an idea existed before Roman society developed, but there were likely some sort of cohabitory arrangements.
You couldn't call those marriage by any sense of the term, though.
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DarthButt
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Andalite-Bandit posted:
Why? Why get so caught up in the definition of the word marriage? Seems so trivial.
Because! Marriage means something to those who hold it to who it was intended for... God. Marriage is defined as recognizing the commitment between a man and a woman before God. To redefine it is to say that it is to be redifined indefinitely, to suit the current social climate. So, IMO, don't change what is a marriage. Take the same advantages and do civil unions, or whatever you want to call it. Just don't call it marriage.
If that is the case, and we're redefining marriage, I'm going ot take my sheep, declare my love for my sheep, and stand in front of the State Capitol and demand that my sheep and I are married!!! !!! !!11
Okay I'm being silly, but essentially we're talking about redefining marriage. So why do people have issues with polygamists/Mormans then? They do the same thing right? They practice marriage differently than most people do too.
Or, how about we keep marriage as it is defined and allow exceptions to the the tax code/wills, rights, etc - and leave marriage and it's definition alone?
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Andalite-Bandit
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5/15 10:04pm
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Marriage isn't just about God though, millions of people get married in civil ceremonies that have no mention of religion whatsoever. They are still called marriages. The religion argument and anything about God is completely irrelevant.
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jp-30
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I'm married, and I'm an athiest. Would you, Darth Butt, have it so that I wasn't allowed to marry?
Also, if you wish to marry a sheep, have sex with it in the Sudan.
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Darth_Guy
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We already knew that New Zealand is a godless place.
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KnightWriter
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It's "Mormon", Butt. Also, who are you to dictate what marriage is and isn't?
If that is the case, and we're redefining marriage, I'm going ot take my sheep, declare my love for my sheep, and stand in front of the State Capitol and demand that my sheep and I are married!!! !!! !!11
I find it fascinating that anti-gay marriage folks love to trot empty and cliched arguments like this out, as if they're worth anything.
I refer back to what I said at C4, for those few who know what that means.
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