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Coruscant
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U.S. Presidential Election 2008- the General. Vote: Tuesday, Nov. 4
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 Barack Obama clinches nomination
June 3, 2008: The day the Democratic nominee was determined
That's it, then. The Republican nominee, John McCain, having been decided back in March, we now have our Democratic nominee, Barack Obama, over three months later.
The road to November will undoubtedly be exciting and tense as we watch the battle between these two senators. And hopefully we'll know who our next President is shortly after Election Day.
This has been a truly unprecedented, momentous primary, especially on the Democratic side. After a long and vicious and harrowing fight, Barack Obama prevailed over the former First Lady and New York Senator, to prove his political chops and go on to face off against Senator John McCain of Arizona. At last, we have our final two.
It's June 3rd. The election is on Nov 4th. That's five months away. It's gonna be a helluva time.
Who will YOU vote for?
Barack Obama versus John McCain
 
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Lord_Vivec
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Who will I vote for? Why don't you take a guess? 
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I'm completely undecided. Really.
What?
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You really like to have threads with thousands of replies by your name, eh Coruscant? Always you make the thread about the important political event! Conniving to be the first to post it, eh! You have planned this for weeks.
Also I am voting for Obama. If Hillary had won the nomination I'd have voted third party or did a write-in for Mike Gravel. Since Obama has it, he's getting my vote.
As I was saying in the primary thread, there is speculation Hillary now wants the VP position, and as much as I dislike her I think it is the smart political move for Obama to take her on. Secure the vote of the angry Hillary supporters and help get those demographics Obama had issues with.
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I'm not sure. But somedays I feel like Nas and Jay-Z.
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Obama, of course. I don't know who would make the best VP candidate, but I know would make one of the worst, and that's Hillary Clinton. I strongly hope Obama doesn't make the mistake of choosing her as his running mate.
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I have absolutely no idea right now. I was gung-ho for McCain last fall but have become disillusioned with him after his repeated gaffes and flip-flops. I favored Clinton for the Democratic nomination initially, but that obviously changed in the past couple months. I disagree with Obama on just about every substantive point, but if McCain doesn't prove to me he's fit to be President, I'll vote for Obama.
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Andalite-Bandit posted:
You really like to have threads with thousands of replies by your name, eh Coruscant? Always you make the thread about the important political event! Conniving to be the first to post it, eh! You have planned this for weeks.
I actually had the template created and saved, with periodic alterations, as far back as Super Tuesday.
Andalite-Bandit posted:
Also I am voting for Obama. If Hillary had won the nomination I'd have voted third party or did a write-in for Mike Gravel. Since Obama has it, he's getting my vote.
As I was saying in the primary thread, there is speculation Hillary now wants the VP position, and as much as I dislike her I think it is the smart political move for Obama to take her on. Secure the vote of the angry Hillary supporters and help get those demographics Obama had issues with.
I can't say I'm happy at all about the prospects of an Obama-Clinton ticket, but there's powerful arguments for it. However, I'm confident Obama can win without "Clinton" next to his name, even if it may be more difficult. He should find someone a lot of the Hillary people can take to easily, someone like George Webb. He'd be good.
If he opts for a woman, I think KW's governor is a pretty shiny choice.
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Andalite-Bandit
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KnightWriter posted:
Obama, of course. I don't know who would make the best VP candidate, but I know would make one of the worst, and that's Hillary Clinton. I strongly hope Obama doesn't make the mistake of choosing her as his running mate.
I know you don't like her, and neither do I, but how is the unity ticket the worst choice? It seems to be like it would seriously boost the chances of a Democratic victory in the fall.
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I can't say I'm happy at all about the prospects of an Obama-Clinton ticket, but there's powerful arguments for it. However, I'm confident Obama can win without "Clinton" next to his name, even if it may be more difficult. He should find someone a lot of the Hillary people can take to easily, someone like George Webb. He'd be good.
If he opts for a woman, I think KW's governor is a pretty shiny choice.
I agree he CAN win without her. I hope so, anyways. Heck, I'd certainly prefer it, but to me it just seems like a win would be much easier if he did let her be the VP. At the least he has to give her something, some kind of cabinet position or something with influence. He has to do something to insure that Hillary gets her supporters to vote for him, especially the bitter ones.
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Clinton would make Obama's prospects more difficult than she would make them easier.
If he opts for a woman, I think KW's governor is a pretty shiny choice.
Napolitano would make a great vice president, and if she were a man, I think she'd be right at the top of everyone's list. Unfortunately, from a political standpoint, she's a woman and from a still-small electoral vote state (one that has the Republican nominee).
She's a shrewd politician, with a lot of experience working with Republicans and defeating them as well.
I know you don't like her, and neither do I, but how is the unity ticket the worst choice? It seems to be like it would seriously boost the chances of a Democratic victory in the fall.
Because it strikes at the heart of Obama's argument of "change," which is arguably his central theme. It's the most fundamental aspect to his campaign. What would it say if he campaigns on a message of change when he brings along someone who embodies and personifies the very things he wants to change? Clinton is little different from W's administration in many respects. Win at all costs, or close to it, spin everything, obfuscate things that make you look bad to some people, rationalize everything to your advantage, don't own up to mistakes, and so on.
Clinton brings as many enemies as she does friends to the table, and a lot of people are alienated from her.
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Lord_Vivec
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I say Obama should choose  as his vice president. Darth Bandon will be able to bring in constituencies that Obama is having trouble with, mainly failed Sith and uncool villains.
As for McCain, I say  . Death's Hand should be able to bring in the undead vote and the really cool-looking but weak villain vote that McCain is having trouble with.
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KnightWriter posted:
Clinton would make Obama's prospects more difficult than she would make them easier.
How? To me it looks like he'd get all his current supporters, and he'd pull in most of the Clinton voters as well and the demographics she was winning with the primaries.
In regards to your edit, yeah it does hit at his change message, which is unfortunate. Personally, I'd vote for him regardless. He's still the best candidate.
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I'm voting for Obama, but I think the vice presidential candidates for both Obama and McCain will be much more important in this general election than most elections before it.
Obama's VP choice may be important to sway the Hillary supporters and the swing states.
McCain's VP choice is very important to perhaps reunite Republican factions who still have their doubts such as the religious right, and also his age is also an important factor.
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How? To me it looks like he'd get all his current supporters, and he'd pull in most of the Clinton voters as well and the demographics she was winning with the primaries.
But that's only on the surface, and ignores the actual realities of the situation. There are a lot of people in the Obama camp (me being one, of course) who seriously distrust Clinton and want nothing to do with her. We feel that she's basically poison, and would compromise Obama's message, not to mention a potential administration. There's also Bill to consider.
It's not a .5+.5=1 sort of thing here. Clinton also brings out Republicans like no one else.
Edit: I don't mean to be redundant or pile on. I know you're pretty similar to me anyway  .
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And to think Clinton came from a Republican family.
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Lord_Vivec posted:
And to think Clinton came from a Republican family.
So did Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV, but look at him now.
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