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Lord_Vivec
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7/3 6:13pm
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Jabba-wocky posted:
Wow. I wasn't convinced, before. But I guess the Japanese who went through that should be thanking us, huh?
They should. After all, we could have made them go to a Hannah Montana concert.
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DarthLassic007
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7/3 6:16pm
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Jabba-wocky posted:
Really, a blatant and tactically unnecessary gross erosion of civil rights facing resistance institutional and cultural mores managed to be more livable than holding pins in state-sponsored execution centers constructed by a party of racists who had equated their targets with a source of all the evil in the universe?
Wow. I wasn't convinced, before. But I guess the Japanese who went through that should be thanking us, huh?
When did I say that I was in favor of it? I'm sure they were treated better than the prisoners in the camps in Germany. I was giving my opinion to Rummy's question. That's why I underlined the word "compared". Even though they were not in the camps, my great grand parents came from Italy. Saying that they were treated better is not condoning what happened.
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Jabba-wocky
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7/3 6:19pm
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Yes, but it's a patently stupid comparison to make. Pointing out that something is better than what is commonly held as one of the worst incidents in all of human history isn't really saying anything useful at all. More pointedly, if you agree with all of us that internment camps were bad, how is that a good argument in support of this move, which similarly erodes civil liberties with little demonstrable benefit?
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DarthLassic007
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7/3 6:30pm
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I was just answering a question. It's not a stupid question or a stupid answer. Suggesting that the Japanese, Italian, and German Americans were treated better than the prisoners in the Nazi Germany camps, does not make what happened to them any less wrong.
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It's a fact that the German soldiers treated American POWs much better than the Japanese soldiers did. Me saying that does not make light of the situation of the American POWs who were caught by the Germans. It's just a true fact. No one wants to be locked up in prison, but if giving a choice, I'm sure all of us rather be in an American prison than some Turkish prison.
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rumsmuggler
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I'd rather not be in any prison, but I get what you're saying.
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I once read the diary of a Japanese-American teenager who was in one of those camps during World War II. Judging from what I read, it was pretty terrible. The soldiers supposedly treated them very badly. Some of them were shot.
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KnightWriter
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7/3 6:48pm
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The conditions of the internment camps were shameful. There was plenty of sexual abuse, malnutrition, humiliation and general misery to go around.
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Lord_Vivec
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DarthLassic007 posted:
No one wants to be locked up in prison, but if giving a choice, I'm sure all of us rather be in an American prison than some Turkish prison.
Abu Gharaib?
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Darth_Guy
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DarthLassic007 posted:
It may be a little more inconvenient, but it does serve a good purpose. Getting on an airplane after 9/11 is a little more inconvenient. So I do have to take my shoes off now. But I do feel safer for it than I would without this added protection. The government wiretapping phone calls to terrorist countries is not worse than John Adams signing the Alien and Sedition Acts. Or Lincoln suspending the Writ of Habeas Corpus. Or Woodrow Wilson signing the Sedition Act of 1918. Or Franklin Delano Roosevelt ordering the forced removal and internment of hundred of thousands of Japanese, Italian, and German Americans.
Guess what, Lassic? I don't care if it makes you feel safer. You don't have the right to feel safe. I have the right to privacy.
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Beyond that, nobody in this world is truly safe, or ever can be, short of locking yourself in a closet with only the necessities of life for the rest of your life.
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KnightWriter posted:
Beyond that, nobody in this world is truly safe, or ever can be, short of locking yourself in a closet with only the necessities of life for the rest of your life.
Fire, suffocation, someone breaking in and killing you out of shock and fear that there's a person in the closet where they thought the valuables were ... 
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rumsmuggler posted:
DarthLassic007 posted:
No. There were internment camps for German and Italian Americans as well.
Were their internment camps nicer than the Japanese camps?
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Lord_Vivec
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AaylaSecurOWNED posted:
DarthLassic007 posted:
It may be a little more inconvenient, but it does serve a good purpose. Getting on an airplane after 9/11 is a little more inconvenient. So I do have to take my shoes off now. But I do feel safer for it than I would without this added protection. The government wiretapping phone calls to terrorist countries is not worse than John Adams signing the Alien and Sedition Acts. Or Lincoln suspending the Writ of Habeas Corpus. Or Woodrow Wilson signing the Sedition Act of 1918. Or Franklin Delano Roosevelt ordering the forced removal and internment of hundred of thousands of Japanese, Italian, and German Americans.
Guess what, Lassic? I don't care if it makes you feel safer. You don't have the right to feel safe. I have the right to privacy.
This.
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DarthLassic007 posted:
It may be a little more inconvenient, but it does serve a good purpose. Getting on an airplane after 9/11 is a little more inconvenient. So I do have to take my shoes off now. But I do feel safer for it than I would without this added protection. The government wiretapping phone calls to terrorist countries is not worse than John Adams signing the Alien and Sedition Acts. Or Lincoln suspending the Writ of Habeas Corpus. Or Woodrow Wilson signing the Sedition Act of 1918. Or Franklin Delano Roosevelt ordering the forced removal and internment of hundred of thousands of Japanese, Italian, and German Americans.
It sounds like you are basically saying "Look, the United States of America has an abysmal and shameful record when it comes to civil rights, so why stop now?" I know Republicans are in favor of tradition, but that's taking it a bit far, eh?
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