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DarthLassic007
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7/3 8:04pm
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RE: FBI may be allowed to investigate Americans who have done nothing wrong
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AaylaSecurOWNED posted:
DarthLassic007 posted:
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It may be a little more inconvenient, but it does serve a good purpose. Getting on an airplane after 9/11 is a little more inconvenient. So I do have to take my shoes off now. But I do feel safer for it than I would without this added protection. The government wiretapping phone calls to terrorist countries is not worse than John Adams signing the Alien and Sedition Acts. Or Lincoln suspending the Writ of Habeas Corpus. Or Woodrow Wilson signing the Sedition Act of 1918. Or Franklin Delano Roosevelt ordering the forced removal and internment of hundred of thousands of Japanese, Italian, and German Americans.
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Guess what, Lassic? I don't care if it makes you feel safer. You don't have the right to feel safe. I have the right to privacy.
How about the lives of all the people this added security of tapping calls to terrorist nations might be saving? You make it sound like that we are being followed around by Rocky IV officials all day long.
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DarthPoojaNaberrie
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KnightWriter posted:
Citing Unabomber Theodore Kaczynski and Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh — two white Americans — the ACLU's Fredrickson said: "Profiling has sent us in the wrong direction. ... I thought we learned our lesson in that regard."[/blockquote]
If McVeigh were still alive, I'm sure he'd have a chuckle at the FBI's expense.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25501088/
that'll teach the white guys for failing to kill an adequate amount of people in their attacks.
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rumsmuggler
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7/3 8:11pm
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DarthPoojaNaberrie posted:
rumsmuggler posted:
DarthLassic007 posted:
No. There were internment camps for German and Italian Americans as well.
Were their internment camps nicer than the Japanese camps?
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DarthPoojaNaberrie
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i didn't have a big meal tonight. don't take my tendency to free-associate words as anything more 
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AaylaSecurOWNED
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DarthLassic007 posted:
How about the lives of all the people this added security of tapping calls to terrorist nations might be saving? You make it sound like that we are being followed around by Rocky IV officials all day long.
Sorry, if I have the choice between a country with a Constitution that means something and that protects my rights and liberties and a country with no terrorist attacks, I choose the former. And guess what, that's the country I was living in until 2001.
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rumsmuggler
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DarthPoojaNaberrie posted:
i didn't have a big meal tonight. don't take my tendency to free-associate words as anything more
Don't be sad, I was just messing with you. 
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DarthPoojaNaberrie
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rumsies: it's all good. i might go get a snack and then it'll be even better.
AaylaSecurOWNED posted:
Sorry, if I have the choice between a country with a Constitution that means something and that protects my rights and liberties and a country with no terrorist attacks, I choose the former. And guess what, that's the country I was living in until 2001.
Which is? The country that protected your rights and liberties, the country with no terrorist attacks, or both?
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AaylaSecurOWNED
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Former means the first one.
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DarthPoojaNaberrie
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 of course.
so, like, what do you guys think was the worst thing about nine eleven
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Jedi_Reject_Jesse
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DarthLassic007 posted:
No. There were internment camps for German and Italian Americans as well.
If this is so I never heard this. I mean, together Italian and German Americans make up a large chunk of the population, nearly 25% in 2006, I would guess even more in the 40's.
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rumsmuggler
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7/3 8:28pm
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Jedi_Reject_Jesse posted:
DarthLassic007 posted:
No. There were internment camps for German and Italian Americans as well.
If this is so I never heard this. I mean, together Italian and German Americans make up a large chunk of the population, nearly 25% in 2006, I would guess even more in the 40's.
The ones in camps were recent immigrants/been in country for a generation, not the ones whose families were here for a few generations or more.
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Mr44
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7/3 9:15pm
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It sounds like you are basically saying "Look, the United States of America has an abysmal and shameful record when it comes to civil rights, so why stop now?" I know Republicans are in favor of tradition, but that's taking it a bit far, eh?
I'm not sure what this means, but like always let's review some facts here.
1)As another "leaked story" on the internet, the final draft hasn't even been written yet, and hasn't been reviewed.
However, the main reason why Justice is looking at updating the investigation guidelines (investigation is separate from enforcement) is to bring the US closer in terms of its allies.
Review this EU study that covers almost the exact same perimeters, and was initiated 3 years ago:
EU
If these policies represent abysmal human rights records, then it means that the entire EU has been more shameful for longer, or it means that these policies aren't as sinister as they might seem.
Secondly, the guidelines are triggered by a wide variety of variables, and someone like Timothy McVeigh would have a lot of hits in the database. Things like military training, buying large quantities of explosives, and travelling to terrorist watch list countries top the matirx.
So, a white guy, who was a veteran, and who travelled to Syria numerous times would jump to the head of the list. It's so much more than "Hey, the FBI is going to investigate anyone who is brown!"
Third, if anyone thinks these concerns are limited to either a single party or single branch of government, they are kidding themselves.
March 1, 2006 Barack Obama voted yes to renew Patriot Act.
March 22. 2007 Barack Obama voted yes to authorize Iraq war funding bill.
July 1, 2008 Barack Obama indicates that he will vote yes for the public wiretapping and utility immunity act.
Now, again, what does it indicate that Obama has also voted in favor of all of these points of law?
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Andalite-Bandit
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7/3 9:18pm
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What does the EU or Obama have to do with anything?
Also, just out of curiosity, why did you pick my one post to address your post to out of an entire thread of people who also disagree with this story?
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Lord_Vivec
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This whole thing is going to alienate anyone who has anything to do with the Middle East. The funny thing is that the FBI will probably just end up wasting their time tracing an Arabic Christian or something like that.
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Date Posted:
7/3 9:24pm
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Now, again, what does it indicate that Obama has also voted in favor of all of these points of law?
That we disagree with him?
Edit: More accurately, that he's wrong (as Dani just mentioned).
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