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KnightWriter
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7/3 7:01pm
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Judge orders Google to turn over youtube user history and IP addresses to Viacom
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A U.S. federal judge has ordered Google Inc. to hand over to media giant Viacom the records of every video users have watched on the video-sharing site YouTube, records that include users' names and IP addresses.
Viacom is suing Google for not doing enough to keep its copyrighted videos from television shows such as The Daily Show with Jon Stewart and The Colbert Report off the popular website YouTube.
Viacom, which owns several U.S. television networks including MTV, VH1, Nickelodeon, Comedy Central and Spike TV, alleged in $1-billion US lawsuit launched in March 2007 that almost 160,000 unauthorized clips of its programming are available on YouTube. Those clips have been viewed more than 1.5 billion times, Viacom charged.
The company argued it needed access to the information on user viewing habits to prove that copyright-infringing material is more popular than user-generated videos on YouTube, which would strengthen its case against Google.
In a ruling issued on Tuesday, Louis Stanton, a judge with the U.S. District Court for the southern district of New York, agreed with Viacom and ordered Google to turn over the information.
Google argued user data should not be handed over because of privacy concerns, but Stanton dismissed those concerns as "speculative."
San Francisco-based privacy advocacy group The Electronic Frontier Foundation said the ruling was "a setback to privacy rights, and will allow Viacom to see what you are watching on YouTube.
"We urge Viacom to back off this overbroad request and Google to take all steps necessary to challenge this order and protect the rights of its users," wrote EFF's senior staff attorney Kurt Opsahl on Wednesday.
Viacom also asked for the underlying code Google and YouTube use to search for keywords and video in order to demonstrate what Google could be doing to block infringing videos. They also wanted access to Google's advertising database scheme in the hopes of proving that infringing videos are driving advertising revenue.
But the court denied these requests, arguing the code and ad data was too valuable to Google.
YouTube and Google should not be made to place this vital asset in hazard merely to allay speculation," said Stanton. "A plausible showing that YouTube and Google’s denials are false, and that the search function can and has been used to discriminate in favour of infringing content, should be required before disclosure of so valuable and vulnerable an asset is compelled."
At issue in the case is whether Google has fulfilled its requirements under the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
The DMCA gives websites protection against infringement claims provided copyrighted material is removed upon notification. Viacom has argued Google could do a better job of blocking the infringing material but doesn't do so because infringing material makes up a significant portion of the website's traffic.
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/07/03/viacom-google.html
With all that in mind, I also found this:
A federal judge denied a request by Viacom Inc. that Google Inc. and its YouTube subsidiary be forced to turn over code relating to their search functions.
Manhattan U.S. District Judge Louis L. Stanton granted a request by Mountain View-based Google (NASDAQ:GOOG) protecting the code. Google said the source code, which controls its Internet search tool and YouTube functions, is a trade secret and disclosing it would put the business at risk.
Stanton said no evidence has shown that the search function "can discriminate between infringing and non-infringing video."
Viacom sued last year, alleging copyright infringement over Viacom content that appeared on YouTube.
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2008/06/30/daily77.html
So, I'm not sure which is more accurate, but either way, the idea of it is troubling.
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AaylaSecurOWNED
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Date Posted:
7/3 7:12pm
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One of my bosses got interviewed in the office today about this. It's pretty interesting because Google insisted in the past that IP addresses weren't personally identifiable information and now they tried to argue the opposite in court, and the judge basically stuck it to them by citing their policy blog back to them in the opinion. I hope this spurs a change in their policy, as Google (which has a kind of monopoly on internet browsing information) is a policy leader in the area.
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Juliet316
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7/3 7:19pm
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This is Napster all over again.
I hereby boycott all viacom products and movies.
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Darth_Guy
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lol, when I first saw the headline I thought, "Knightwriter will post a thread about this."
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KnightWriter
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7/3 7:23pm
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Edit: Jello clarified it. Thank you.
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GrandAdmiralJello
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7/3 7:24pm
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KnightWriter posted:
So, I'm not sure which is more accurate, but either way, the idea of it is troubling.
They're actually two completely different things.
The first one refers to search records, whereas the second one refers to the mechanism behind how their search engine works.
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KnightWriter
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GrandAdmiralJello posted:
KnightWriter posted:
So, I'm not sure which is more accurate, but either way, the idea of it is troubling.
They're actually two completely different things.
The first one refers to search records, whereas the second one refers to the mechanism behind how their search engine works.
The latter is akin to the Coca Cola formula, right?
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GrandAdmiralJello
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Pretty much. So it's a good thing that google doesn't have to turn over the source code, but sadly, it doesn't protect us one bit.
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Jediflyer
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I like the idea floated on some blogs and slashdot for google and youtube to turn over the required information in hardcopy format.
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GrandAdmiralJello
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LOL
I don't know, though, considering the size of legal briefs, maybe they won't be scared with really really really long printouts.
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KnightWriter
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Too bad it's not Amazon, or else we could talk about how they'd have to kill off the entire Amazon to put it in printed form.
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farrellg
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This is troubling news, and I desperately hope that it does not result in youtube being forced to close down or to remove certain videos. I have been able to obtain a myriad of wonderful and rare recordings through youtube, and I certainly wouldn't want to lose that.
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I gotta stop looking up porn on youtube...
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Katana_Geldar
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7/3 10:21pm
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But IP addresses somtimes can give you nothing about who a person is. How many people use youtbe from public access machines?
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Spiderfan
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I am curious how this will work internationally.
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Katana_Geldar
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Thank God I'm here.
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