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~*~ The Hayden Christensen Fan Club of the JCC ~*~
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Qui-Dawn
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Date Posted:
6/19 4:56pm
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RE: ~*~ The Hayden Christensen Fan Club of the JCC ~*~
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Ohhhhhhhhhhh, baby....remember what I was saying before about curiously nosing around on certain websites to see what choice, rare and epsecial goodies might perchance be out there for the finding and thus the lustful and desirous eager snatching-up with all due haste and zestful, positively rapacious enthusiasm too, at that....and, you know, the sheer dangerous temptation involved in so doing, methinks, if only because it definitely reminds me, for one, all the more convincingly that I clearly am possessed of absolutely no willpower or restraint whatsoever....even though somehow I'd be mighty hard-pressed to feel badly about that, ahem.  But, ye-es, in any case then....came across another website with some *most* interesting item listings, and these are exquisitely rare and wondrous finds, I haven't seen them offered anywheres else, and oh my goodness....I'm finding myself especially and sorely, desperately, dangerously tempted, and my head is telling me I probably shouldn't be, that maybe it's not logical, strictly speaking....but my heart, oh, my *heart*, and my Haydenly yearning in particular, well....logic? What logic? Bah, we'll have none of that, clearly!  *resumes lustful and impatient, hearty drooling over the very provoking treasured finds, then impulsively eyeing her credit card with wanton and heedless intention, ahem* Ohhhh, aye, the temptation might be an irrational one, some would say....but somehow I just can't bring myself to care about that....
Dawn. (who strongly suspects that food for the body is all well and good, and obviously a necessary thing after all, but Hayden, oh, *Hayden*....is hearty and rich and wonderfully satisfying fine food for the *soul*....and by my reckoning just now, maybe that matters most of all....)
Dawn.
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GS335 posted:
Do you guys think that some of the criticsm Hayden has gotten over the years have been quite unfair?
I can understand some not liking his acting choices, but it seems like the dislike for Hayden has gone beyond mere criticsm. It seems like its gotten personal, especially when I read comments questioning his manhood and bashing anyone who happens to be a fan of his.
I don't know about you, but I feel that some have crossed the line in their bashing of Hayden. Its almost seems like they hate the actor so much, because he plays a hated character in Star Wars. Some also rip the guy personally without even bothering to get to know the guy.
Sad, but true.
Welcome to our sacred haven of Denlicious worship, GS335, and I think that you are absolutely right. Critics and fans do seem to be awfully negative toward Hayden, which is too bad. He has done some great work. I wonder if the critics and fans are being completely fair and objective when they evaluate Hayden. Sometimes if you are already biased before beginning your analysis, you may consciously or unconsciously allow that prejudice to affect your opinion. It is like being tried in a kangaroo court where the proceedings are a mere sham, and your guilt had been decided before the trial had even started. Because of critics' dislike for Hayden, they may have decided in their minds that all of his performances are bad- even before seeing those performances.
Sometimes, prejudices about a certain actor will prevent you from an evaluating a performance on it's own merits. Instead, you automatically evaluates the performance in a fashion that is consistent with your preconceived notions about the performer, exhibiting confirmation bias on your part. You have already decided that the actor is bad, and then search for evidence to support that belief, rather than objectively analyzing any evidence that might contradict that belief. As a result, I wonder if the critics are capable of giving a fair analysis of Hayden's skills.
I also agree with you that Hayden bashing has spiraled down to a personal level, reaching an all-time low. That is a deplorable and unfair state of affairs. Hayden is the most beautiful man who ever lived, a tremendous actor, and by all accounts, a refreshingly pleasant person to be around. What is there to hate about someone like that? I suspect that some people are simply jealous of Hayden's amazing dramatic talent and breathtakingly gorgeous good looks.
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*appropriately bright, eager smile, looks all perky and curious-like* Okay, well, curiosity does rather compel me to ask, I suppose, just what a fine and fabulouso and of course hugely and wonderfully stimulating great time of it everyone's surely been having, then, in getting their richly, heartily satiating fill of "Jumper" over the past, oh, nigh-on two weeks or so now, I guess it ould be, and methinks too that must be where everyone's been gallivanting off to in the meantime, right, basically just gladly and gleefully revelling in each and every single dramatically tense and boldly stylistic, wonderfully and mightily entertaining and generally hugely, thrillingly invigorating, impossibly exciting and amped-up energetic, intriguingly provocative fine moment of "Jumper" awesomeness from the movie itself, natch - and mmmm, ohhhh, aye, this is another one o' those moments where I'm only ever more sinbcerely thankful that I did go so far, incidentally, as to pick meself up a shiny portable DVD player....
....it's a 9-inch Toshiba too, by the way, and of course *totally* and wholeheartedly recommended besides, it's a fine investment made and thus *totally* well-worth it at least by my reckoning, anyway, and even, aye, if only "just" for the crucial, desperately-desired paramount-important sake of being able to carry His Delicious Divine Denliness fair *anywhere* and everywhere one goes, to be sure, that's s a *definite* huge selling point far as I'm concerned and really all the temptation or motivation that I could ever need anyway, no more reason why than that, honestly....it's the chance to literally have the Heavenly Haydenliness riiiiight there close at one's fingertips, *literally*, and that is worth nigh-*everything* to me. Hence, to be sure, the whole reason why I fairly and overeagerly, desperately leapt at the chance, too.... Ahem.  And this way, o' course, now I can partake of him entirely to my heart['d content and thus enjoy a loverly little fix o' the Denly delectableness most anytime....
....I mean, honestly, whether 'tis on the way to or from work or what have you, it just makes a world of positive, heartening and greatly encouraging difference, I find anyway, to be able to, well....tote him around like that, after a fashion, and so I really do recommend it for one and all besides....aaahhhh, trust me, you're *so* gonna love it and the player's not so pricey after all anyway, and besides....it's an investment which more than pays for itself, I find, in even just the pleasure and the satisfaction and the quiet personal triumph of being able....to *always* have him on hand, then, in a very real sense....to always be able to get that fix, to feel that much better for it, the daily dose of Denliness, I should think. Mmmmm, ohhhh, aye, probably worth its proverbial weight in gold for even that alone, eh? *chuckles gladly, warmly* Aaahhhh, but certainly then, ye-es, I'm sure you can quite well imagine what I've been making such an especial point of it to partake of, for sure....
And certainly, too, as likely as not I just find that it seems to do me a great world of good anyway, and really helps start the day off on the best right foot, as 'twere, at least so long as I've Hayden himself right close to glad and savouring hand like that....or, you know....underneath it, specifically. *tee hee* Aaaahhhh, but still though, now between one thing and another I guess I am a wee bit heathily and happily curious then....what, praytell, have we perchance been watching and enjoying most on the "Jumper" DVD presentation, my pretties....be it the deleted scenes, for instance (mmmm, chest.... *brain fries out into total blissful incoherence at that, right straightaways*) or the fabulous featurettes and behind the scenes glimpses and what have you, or ohhhh, aye, the shere splendiferousness of the movie itself, natch (mmmm, David, my hero, truly!) - we-ell, now, just whatever indeed have we been up to there, the past couple weeks....enquiring minds are most keen to know! *laughs*
Dawn. (making a mad and impulsively eager dive for her own DVD player, post-haste....oooohhhh, David, c'mere, I've only just begun with you, my lovely lad.... *distinctly rapacious grin*)
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GS335
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Date Posted:
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farrellg posted:
GS335 posted:
Do you guys think that some of the criticsm Hayden has gotten over the years have been quite unfair?
I can understand some not liking his acting choices, but it seems like the dislike for Hayden has gone beyond mere criticsm. It seems like its gotten personal, especially when I read comments questioning his manhood and bashing anyone who happens to be a fan of his.
I don't know about you, but I feel that some have crossed the line in their bashing of Hayden. Its almost seems like they hate the actor so much, because he plays a hated character in Star Wars. Some also rip the guy personally without even bothering to get to know the guy.
Sad, but true.
Welcome to our sacred haven of Denlicious worship, GS335, and I think that you are absolutely right. Critics and fans do seem to be awfully negative toward Hayden, which is too bad. He has done some great work. I wonder if the critics and fans are being completely fair and objective when they evaluate Hayden. Sometimes if you are already biased before beginning your analysis, you may consciously or unconsciously allow that prejudice to affect your opinion. It is like being tried in a kangaroo court where the proceedings are a mere sham, and your guilt had been decided before the trial had even started. Because of critics' dislike for Hayden, they may have decided in their minds that all of his performances are bad- even before seeing those performances.
Sometimes, prejudices about a certain actor will prevent you from an evaluating a performance on it's own merits. Instead, you automatically evaluates the performance in a fashion that is consistent with your preconceived notions about the performer, exhibiting confirmation bias on your part. You have already decided that the actor is bad, and then search for evidence to support that belief, rather than objectively analyzing any evidence that might contradict that belief. As a result, I wonder if the critics are capable of giving a fair analysis of Hayden's skills.
I also agree with you that Hayden bashing has spiraled down to a personal level, reaching an all-time low. That is a deplorable and unfair state of affairs. Hayden is the most beautiful man who ever lived, a tremendous actor, and by all accounts, a refreshingly pleasant person to be around. What is there to hate about someone like that? I suspect that some people are simply jealous of Hayden's amazing dramatic talent and breathtakingly gorgeous good looks.
That's a great point.
I've always felt that some of the critics have it in for Hayden, much like they have it in for Ewan. Even though Hayden is not as outspoken as Ewan, Hayden is similar to Ewan in the sense that he's down to Earth and is not into the Hollywood thing, like most actors are. Ewan has not recieved nearly as much negativity as Hayden does, but Ewan has been the subject of scruitiny in the past.
Many of the critcs also seem to hate Lucas and bash him every chance they get. Its almost like many producers and directors are jealous of Lucas and the money he's made with Star Wars. So in turn, they attempt to tear Lucas down every chance they get.
I don't know about you, but I feel that the criticsm towards Hayden, Ewan, and even Lucas has been quite unfair. The negativity towards them has gotten very personal and that saddens me. Whenever I read reviews and see a critic even going as far as questioning Hayden's manhood and sexuality, I think that's crossing the line. I've seen that sort of thing from "fans" who hate Hayden. Its okay to dislike the Anakin character, as the character did some awful things in Rots. But to hate on the actor and even going as far as attacking his manhood is disgusting and sickening. Its wrong, period!
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Mmmmmmm, well, certainly I'm quite liking the very beautifully bold and distinctive and positively, wonderfully saucy and colourful, unquestionably *quite* memorable fine cover art for the "Virgin Territory" DVD as I've seen it thus far, or at least the regular Region 1 version of it that we'll all be getting, natch....by all accounts it seems to be that spicy little red-and-white slipcover (and, aside, still totally loving it that it's being branded as the "Unzipped Edition", that just appeals to me in a very profound way, truth be told, and not just because that's naturally what I'd be most tempted and greatly inclined to do to *him*, you know, if ever the opportunity presented itself....even just thinking of that dashing young devil of an angelic Lorenzo, then, with the sweep of careless curls brushed tousled upon his brow, and the readiness of his razor-sharp wit and death-daring impudence and his even quicker tongue besides, and incidentally, ye-es, I reckon as I do mean that in *exactly* the way it looks.... - and with his long and agile and broad-leaping limbs and his simply magnificent-sculpted fine and slender hands, each and every finger like a magical thing of wonder, *oh*, and to say nothing perhaps even of the high and proud, defiant tilt of that brow of his and the full, plush curve of his vivid lips besides, well, *aye*....no doubt of it then, I'm reckoning, that maybe it just seems to *go* so very well, somehow, it makes a sort of most delicious sense....even to think of him and the word "unzipped" in the same sentence. I'm just *sayin'*, is all.... Ahem....) with him in true glorious place of pride right there front-row-centre, to be sure, albeit surrounded by a lovely little bevy of fine and saucy maidens - not, to be sure, that I'd imagine he'd necessarily be objecting to *that* overmuch, right, and maybe especially so looking at where a certain hand....of one of those lovely ladies....seems to be placed.
In other words, well, that really is pretty much ri-iiiight about exactly where I'd be having my own hand, too....if perchance distinctly straying a little lower than that in no time at all. And, ohhhh, aye, for some reason too it just seems to strike me as so strangely fitting and apropos, somehow, I'm just *quite* liking it then, even just....the certain angle or way in which he seems to be holding....that rapier....you know, position-wise. I've no idea if that was any sort of deliberate placement, though it wouldn't necessarily surprise me if maybe they had full well intended it, but in any case....mmmmmm, yes, *verrrrrry* much approving of that one, I must say. And, mmmmmm, yes, certainly too I'm quite liking even the very look of the inside case as well, like the actual DVD itself - the way it's graphically laid out in general, the deep, rich and luscious red of that background which, aye, actually does look something like, perchance....a decadent and wonderfully romantic silk or satin sheet of some kind, which in turn maybe only makes it all the more apropos somehow....that *he* is there on it. Admittedly, yes, whilst surrounded by pretty much the same bevy of beautiful and wanton maidens, clearly, and mmmmmm, yes - what one truly wouldn't give to trade places with them right about then, just for the sake of having him in that rich and ready position....heck, *I* surely would, anyway.
So certainly, then, ye-es, no denying it that I'm of course *greatly* fond of even the very look of the "Virgin Territory" DVD, the slipcover and the DVD case itself, and believe you me that this one is going right in place of pride and honour on my DVD shelf.... *lustfully covets, stroking the Lorenzo-ly pretty with great care and desire* ....aaaahhhh, but still, though, all the same - I must admit that I'm finding myself *quite* irresistibly taken by the look of....well, come to think of it, I'm guessing it's not the DVD cover art itself but maybe just a promo poster which will be released over that-a-ways for it, in which case, want, *want*, absolutely *must* have and will do fair anything to get it, *oh*....but, oh, maybe it's just - checking out this "Virgin Territory" promo poster which I gather will be released over UK-wards, by the look of it anyway....and oh, *oh* my goodness, the fact that he is, yet again, right gloriously front-row-and-perfect-centre like that, big and beautiful as life and then some....
....with rapier out and brandished high and defiant, too, like that....and, oh, the tunic he's wearing, that deep rust-red or near-saturated brown colour of, I can't even put into mere mortal words just how very, very much I like that and *especially* so on him, too, it seems a very handsomely befitting look between the hue and the embroidered touches on it, and mmmmmm, oh my, *yes*, let's just say that when I'm looking at even the way in which that tunic obviously laces up at the front in such adorably rough-and-tumble, almost peasant-class fashion, well....naturally my first and foremost thought and overriding impulse is to just tear those laces out with my *teeth* if necessary, and....and....aaahhhh, but I'm sure you see where I'm going with this one, eh? *laughs impishly, gleefully* And certainly, too, I guess I also quite like that bit o' poster art for even the way in which he's looking off to the side like that with such focussed, deadly intention, such pure and fierce resolve, oh, *beautiful*....his lips parted, his gaze strong, resolute, brave beyond compare.... *deeply dreamy, happy sigh* ....
....and mmmmmm, well, yes, just as a matter of course I do find myself quite taken and enchanted by even just the way in which his hair seems to be sweeping free over his brow at the time, too, like in this little snapshot I guess you could say, this mere moment frozen in time....loose and rakish curls escaping in such adorable and enticing fashion to tease down upon his forehead so smooth, so pure, and mmmmmm, well....to be fair, though, I'd imagine as I probably do have at least a wee bit of a fetish for him in that regard. Or, you know, in *all* ways. Um, quite.... *giggles coyly* Aaahhhh, but ye-es, then, 'twould seem that by all appearances it really is looking to be something most aesthetically pleasing and *quite* playfully, colourfully provocative besides, then, with a delightful sense of energy and vivaciousness, youthfulness and enthusiasm, merry humour and a wonderful, bright saucy attitude as well....ohhhh, aye, even just from the very look of the DVD cover, the slipcase or whatever relse, then - seems to strike me as such, anyway....though maybe that is, to be sure, only to be expected with a merry and sensuous, impish little romp and absolute *delight* of a film like this, then, with an energy and liveliness, a vim and vigor and a sheerly ribald sense of humour, a feeling of fun and playfulness and a general carefree attitude all its own....I mean, honestly, maybe it just - *fits*, then, seems purrfectly well apropos, is all. The thought surely does occur, anyway.... *tee hee*
Dawn. (going back for more free and wanton Lorenzo ogling)
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I agree completely, GS335. Critics and fans are distressingly unfair to Hayden. Some people seem to be looking for any excuse to bash his acting or personal life. As for any people who dare to question Hayden's manhood, let me assure them to no one is as much of a man in desire as Hayden is  - and I'm certain that he's just as much of a man in courage and resoluteness.
No matter what the bashers have to say, in reality, Hayden is a tremendous actor. McDiarmid described Hayden as a fine actor. That must count for something.
Out of over 400 actors who auditioned, Lucas chose Hayden. He had a dark, sullen edge to him- which is what Lucas was looking for regarding the character. Perhaps the problem is that some people don't envision Anakin the way that Lucas does, rather than a deficiency in Hayden's acting. Hayden was the most appropriate actor for the type of character that Lucas wanted to create.
I think that Hayden turned in an impressive performance. Christensen was more confident in ROTS than in AOTC, and was very effective in many of the darker scenes. The Mustafar conversation before the duel is especially notable. He seems like a changed man, who is drunk on power and forgot everything that he once cared for.
Only a supremely talented actor could have turned in such an effective performance under the conditions that Lucas imposed on the cast (e.g. reportedly little direction and constant green-screen environments). The naysayers can say as the please, but that should never dampen the spirits of we Hayden fanboys/fangirls. We know the truth, and no amount of vindictive and inaccurate claims can alter that truth.
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....we-ell, now, certainly there's no doubt that there was more than a fair share of, as you say, bluescreen and greenscreen and even, unless I'm greatly misremembering, a wee bit o' purple-screen work involved there, to be sure, that's certainly apt enough and you're quite right to point that out, and surely it only does make for a truly remarkable and enlivening, invigorating sort of challenge in any case - even, come to think of it, as though 'tis actually only like the most pure form of true acting in a way, and certainly from what I've read Natalie, for one, has even said as much herself more than once, that doing such an abudance of blue-and-greenscreen work, yet by *necessity* mind you, well....it really is the most pure form of acting there could ever be, because it compels and encourages one very much to rely on imagination, to call on that rare and especial guft....when you're acting in a seeming sea of blue or green, after all, your imagination can be your greatest advantage....
....certainly, then, it seems like they were all perfectly well aware of that being the case on set, that to act whilst surrounded by so much blue or green or whatever else, as necessary, it just encourages and compels one to get riiiiight down to the true business and the fine art, the beautifully skilled craft of acting, of performance, of shading, nuance and character, after all....and maybe there could be no more pure environment to hone and perfect that in, I suppose, than whilst surrounded by the blue-and-greenscreening. Even though it might not necessarily be something that one could, strictly speaking, become accustomed to as though on a humdrum-usual everyday basis....*still*, though, at the same time that doesn't make it any less a formidable and worthwhile challenge either, I find, and one which would be greatly satisfying besides, in the end....and, of course, clearly it very much *is* after all.
Surely it's only ever more true *art*, then, for being forced to rely to such a large extent on one's imagination like that....because, after all, at the very crux of it isn't that just what acting itself is all about anyway, isn't that sort of the whole *point*? I mean, really.... And certainly, too, I've just always had the definite impression of it that Hayden, for his part, also feels very much the same way about it....that maybe blue-or-greenscreen acting is, indeed, *true* acting in its most timeless and enduring form, because it calls on all one's skill and talent, energy and concentration besides....because it's all about the imagining, pure and simple. And maybe only the best and most capable, skilled, and altogether wondrously and impressively, formidably talented and finely nuanced, subtly provocative great actors can actually pull it off in *every* way, acting from inagination and yet making it real....an actor, you know....like *Hayden* specifically. Aaahhhh, but of course.
So-o naturally then, ye-es, suffice it to say that, well, the point about all the blue and sreenscreening and such and thus how it's only ever more awesomely impressive and formidably, satisfyingly and gratifyingly challenging besides that Hayden too actually *was* full well and beautifully, vividly, memorably, magnetically, flawlessly, dashingly and heroically, handsomely and temptingly, irresistibly and appeallingly and altogether *wonderfully* pull off what indeed he did there, too, and with such perfect nuance and marvellous, natural subtlety into the bargain which of course only makes it ever more, oh, just *suvh* a great joy indeed to actually take such careful and especial and closely-cherishing due note of all the small moments and subtleties and fine-honed nuances of his performance therein, too, that whivh others might at first glance seemingly miss out on....but we, oh, *we* very much do *not*....because we're just the ones paying *attention*, with our eyes *open* with which to see, ahem.
Aaaahhhh, but still, though, one other thing I did kinda notive there, I suppose I did twig to it to at least a certain extent....you'd mentioned that supposedly, "reportedly", there was, I don't know, some claim or story or goodness only knows what else floating around, purporting the idea that Papa GL somehow wasn't an "involved" director.... *raises eyebrow* ....and, well, surely we've long-since discovered by way of various other actual sources, like all sorts of behibd-the-scenes info, interviews, docs and featurettes of course and the like, well....it seems fairly readily apparent to me that Papa George was, and remains, the very farthest thing possible from "not involved". I mean, honestly, he's there on-set each and every single day from start to finish and then some, he's working with the actors to get it down ju-uuuust perfectly right besides - he's the one coordinating and fine-tuning it with everyone else involved, costumes, art department, set design, costumes, all....
....and all of that just to be sure, in the end, that it actually does match and do full, true justice to the great and all-encompassing and massively widespread, awesomely intricate vision he has well and clearly in mind, then....he's the one who's right *there* directly, from birth of the first germ of the idea allllllll the way through to its ultimate realization and the end result. And that, oh, that indeed *hardly* sounds to me ever like any sort of director who's "not involved", by *any* means....really, now, I'm just not sure that it's physically and humanly, conceivably possible for a director, anyone of the sort to *be* any more directly and intimately involved in a project than Papa GL very much is, truth be told. Ahem.
Dawn.
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farrellg posted:
I agree completely, GS335. Critics and fans are distressingly unfair to Hayden. Some people seem to be looking for any excuse to bash his acting or personal life. As for any people who dare to question Hayden's manhood, let me assure them to no one is as much of a man in desire as Hayden is - and I'm certain that he's just as much of a man in courage and resoluteness.
No matter what the bashers have to say, in reality, Hayden is a tremendous actor. McDiarmid described Hayden as a fine actor. That must count for something.
Out of over 400 actors who auditioned, Lucas chose Hayden. He had a dark, sullen edge to him- which is what Lucas was looking for regarding the character. Perhaps the problem is that some people don't envision Anakin the way that Lucas does, rather than a deficiency in Hayden's acting. Hayden was the most appropriate actor for the type of character that Lucas wanted to create.
I think that Hayden turned in an impressive performance. Christensen was more confident in ROTS than in AOTC, and was very effective in many of the darker scenes. The Mustafar conversation before the duel is especially notable. He seems like a changed man, who is drunk on power and forgot everything that he once cared for.
Only a supremely talented actor could have turned in such an effective performance under the conditions that Lucas imposed on the cast (e.g. reportedly little direction and constant green-screen environments). The naysayers can say as the please, but that should never dampen the spirits of we Hayden fanboys/fangirls. We know the truth, and no amount of vindictive and inaccurate claims can alter that truth.
I agree.
I think there are a lot of people who are jealous of him, and are resentful that he does have a nice fanbase. I mean, there were fanboys who were bitter because he got to kiss Natalie Portman in AOTC and Rots. Not to mention, there are fanboys who are jealous about his rumored romance with Rachel Bilson (Summer from the OC).
Some of these people really need to get a life, instead of obsessing about an actor, his fans, and his personal life.
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Oh and BTW, why do people think he's going out with Rachel Bilson? Just because they've attended a couple awards together, it does not mean they are going out. For all we know, they could be just friends, and that's it.
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I agree with what others have said in regards to how critics treat Hayden. Calling him "the kiss of death in movies since Star Wars" indeed goes beyond criticizing his performance in a different film. It's a nasty and vindictive statement, and shows that many big film critics do have a bias against him because of Star Wars. Most, if not all of his critics are unaware of this, but he got absolutely rave reviews for his performance in a London-based play called "This is Our Youth". He did this play before Star Wars; before the stigma of "bad actor" was thrust upon him. If Hayden was truly a horrible actor with no skills whatsoever, then he would have bombed on stage. Here's what some of the theater critics had to say about him:
Variety posted:
Christensen has the toughest task -- it's not easy acting the bully, especially with a faux-Brando accent -- and rises to it triumphantly, the imminent "Star Wars" star announcing himself as a rangy and commanding stage presence who captures Dennis' every contradiction. (An added bonus: The actor actually possesses the "beautiful eyes, intense and direct" that Dennis is said to have.)
http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117917338.html?categoryid=33&cs=1
Curtain Up posted:
Hayden Christensen faintly reminded me of the young Marlon Brando with his slightly raised chin and rasping voice. His performance as small time drug dealer, Dennis "I'm high on fear", is always strung tight, although there are many comic moments as he describes his relationship with Valerie, his equally volatile girlfriend whom we never see.
http://www.curtainup.com/thisisouryouthlond.html
Indie London posted:
For the ladies in the audience, okay then, broads, you have the brilliantly mixed up Dennis of Hayden Christensen, soon to be seen in Star Wars Episode II as Anakin Skywalker.
He cannot possibly be this good on film. His absolute neuroses, yes there's more than one, are each given full rein. You bleed for him as he screams against the world in general, and Warren in particular, regarding the terrible situation in which he sees himself. His frustration at having his life interrupted and partly destroyed by Warren needs an audience to appreciate his performance fully. He rises to this audience and is excellent.
http://www.indielondon.co.uk/theatre/t_this_is_our_youth.html
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Hayden Christensen's interpretation of Dennis is exceptionnal as he finds the true emotionnal centre of his character. He spends all the play getting high and still manages to move you. You really get emotionnally attached to this drug dealer.
http://www.themovieinsider.com/a10-stage-review-of-this-is-our-youth.html
If this play had run on Broadway, after AOTC, I think many people wouldn't be as hard on him. Like "Life As A House" and "Shattered Glass", one of his better-received performances isn't as well-known.
About Hayden and Rachel as a couple - Well, it goes beyond attending a public event with each other. They'd been seen spending tons of time together immediately after Jumper finished filming, which was little more than a year ago. She also spends time with his family, too. Back in May, Rachel was seen hanging out with with his younger sister, Kaylen. In March, she traveled from L.A. to Canada with Hayden's mother, and stayed with him on his farm for about a month. Finally, there's the gold necklace she sometimes wears - with the letter "H" as a pendant.
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GS335 posted:
Oh and BTW, why do people think he's going out with Rachel Bilson? Just because they've attended a couple awards together, it does not mean they are going out. For all we know, they could be just friends, and that's it.
Well, to be sure, it actually touches upon something that's oft....vexed me, I suppose, or at the very least had me looking more than a wee bit askance or even feeling rather discomfited, truth be told, and maybe I do just tend to be more bothered about it than even he may be by his own admission, for that matter.... *shrugs* ....because even though there's no denying that Hayden himself has a *very* even-handed and level-headed perspective on the relentless crush of attention, the sometimes downright prying and unfairly, harshly and even rudely intrusive scrutiny that he's had to bear on more than one occasion....in *no* way should he have to put up with any such thing, of course, not at all should he ever have to suffer people thinking that they have the right to randomly and incessantly speculate and rumour-monger about him in general - *none* of us would like that, if 'twas done to us, after all - and maybe it's something only still more offensive or unwanted, in a sense, because we do in fact know that Hayden is *such* an intensely private person about his own life, he keeps his professional life and his personal one very much separate and never the twain shall meet, as the old saying goes....and well indeed should it be that way, and I've always felt he has *every* right to feel so and thus to expect and absolutely *demand* it....that his private life *stay* private, and his, and so it's really no one else's business in any case.
He wants it that way, he obviously takes especial care to make sure of it, so it's always seemed to me only fair that he have that personal, private life, that space....free from the rampant speculation and rumour-mongering, free and far away indeed from folks who seem to think that they're somehow entitled to know *eeeeeeeeverything* about each and every single last intimate detail of his most personal life....and *especially* so when it's something that he clearly doesn't want to share within anyone else, nor should he have to, either. I mean, honestly, maybe it's just always irked me to no small extent that....even when an actor, a performer such as Hayden, for instance....is so avowed and acknowledged-private about their personal life, and takes great pains to keep it that way, and who does, moreover, also "fly low under the radar", as it were....doesn't call attention to himself, doesn't care for the usual "Hollywood scene", doesn't go out and about partying or engage in rumour-mongering gossip-provoking speculative behaviour, either (and those who do know what they're getting themselves into, what will happen, so they basically invite it - but *he* doesn't, is the thing, he *never* has....and that says it *all*, right there!) he keeps to himself in his own life, does his own thing, he has his professional life which makes him famous in public profile, to be sure....but then his other life, his private life, is entirely his own domain....and so should be something totally free of all gossip and speculation and presumptiveness, I've always felt. *shrugs*
I do suppose, then, that I just feel intensely and fiercely protective of his privacy, I've made no secret of that....no, really - and yet, though, the thing of it is that Hayden himself has that very level-headed, steady and almost accepting attitude over it all, and so if he's asked about it then more often than not he just seems to remark that it's "part of the job", "comes with the territory" or some such....which, again, is certainly a very decent and gracious and good-natured polite and friendly way to look at things - but at the same time, though....it shouldn't *have* to "come with the territory", if you know what I mean, and it should in no way *have* to be "part of the job"....that his high-profile public-eye profession, his work, supposedly automatically opens up gossip, unwelcome speculation and unfair attention about his private, understated personal life. If he chooses not to share of it, and doesn't make a point of calling attention to it, then it's *no one* else's business but his own....and it galls and infuriates me to no end that so many people seem to think that just because he has a line of work which makes of him a famous, well-known sort....he's somehow no longer "entitled" to his *own* personal and private life.
As though just by dint of having a high-profile, public-eye job....he no longer deserves that which we all have, which is a basic, fundamental human right. I'm not sure what the heck went askew there, with that logical path or lack thereof evidently, but it mightily frustrates me just the same - that this, aye, *this* seems to be how so many people treat those with a job which makes them famous....and *especially* so, again, when the talent, the performer, the actor, what have you....*doesn't* call attention to himself, and wants to keep his personal life his own, private, away from the public eye. Work is one thing, their personal life is something else, why should it be any different for them? It's *not*, though, and therein lies the whole point....I do feel, anyway. *deep, intensely thoughtful sigh*
And ohhhh, now, of course I do well understand Hayden's own unique and very well-considered, thoughtful and good-natured, altogether decent take on things there....but at the same time, though....there are certain things he ree-hee-*heally* shouldn't ever have to put up with, certain things he in no way should have to "suffer lightly" - intrusions on his privacy, baseless speculation, rumour-mongering, people poking into his private life where it concerns *only* him anyway....when people do stuff like that, especially to him, it just smacks of a severe lack of disrespect shown to him, pure and simple. And that, I simply *cannot* abide....never have been able to, I'm guessing, hence the whole reason why I'm fiercely protective in my own way of his privacy, his personal life - because he deserves that respect, that accordance and appreciation, and then some....as would we all, of course. *wry look*
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TragicLove posted:
About Hayden and Rachel as a couple - Well, it goes beyond attending a public event with each other. They'd been seen spending tons of time together immediately after Jumper finished filming, which was little more than a year ago. She also spends time with his family, too. Back in May, Rachel was seen hanging out with with his younger sister, Kaylen. In March, she traveled from L.A. to Canada with Hayden's mother, and stayed with him on his farm for about a month. Finally, there's the gold necklace she sometimes wears - with the letter "H" as a pendant.
I didn't know about this.
I know both have said they are only friends, but I can understand why they want to keep this private. I did read somewhere that Hayden is a very low key person who likes to keep his private life, private.
Speaking of Rachel, did she really take up for Hayden in a recent interview? Someone on another site said Rachel took up for Hayden in some magazine a little while ago, when the topic of his "bad acting" in Star Wars came up. I believe she mentioned Natalie, Ewan, and Sam (Jackson) in the same interview. It was almost like Rachel was annoyed by some of the negativity about Hayden.
I heard that Ewan has taken up for Hayden on more than one occassion in the past as well. I did read somewhere that the two became good friends and they are still good friends to this day.
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Thank you so much for posting those reviews, TragicLove! The reviews prove exactly what I have been saying all along: that Hadyen is a magnificent actor who has unfortunately fallen prey to prejudice on the parts of critics and fans.
It has been said that the stage is the ultimate test of an actor's craft. Lacking the cinematic benefit of multiple takes, stage acting demands that the actor truly be in the moment, generating complete spontaneity. If you can be convincing under those circumstances, then that illustrates that your dramatic technique is secure.
People also need to remember that you cannot judge an actor's overall ability on the basis of one role. No artist has everything, and all actors give some performances that are more successful than others. Sometimes, an actor may have difficult with a specific role. He might be uncomfortable with the author's choice of words, insecure about the conditions in which the role is being performed, lack understanding about the dramatic action or character motivations, etc. In some cases, a role simply isn't a good fit for a certain actor. He may be a great thespian, but just not be the right person for a specific role. That is why you cannot necessarily assume that someone is a terrible actor on the basis of one performance. Perhaps you merely happened to observe one of the actor's weak performances.
With that said, I think that Hayden did an admirable job with the character of Anakin. As far as I'm concerned, Lucas definitely chose the right person for the role. There are plenty of moments in the prequels where Hayden's dramatic abilities shine. Even if some people feel differently and don't like Hayden's interpretation of the character, they shouldn't just casually dismiss his abilities. Any bashers should take a look at Hayden's other work before they rush to judgment. As I said, you must examine a large body of an artist's work in order to have a clear idea of how skilled he is. After watching Hayden's impressive body of dramatic achievements, I think that anyone would come to the conclusion that he is a major talent.
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farrellg posted:
Thank you so much for posting those reviews, TragicLove! The reviews prove exactly what I have been saying all along: that Hadyen is a magnificent actor who has unfortunately fallen prey to prejudice on the parts of critics and fans.
It has been said that the stage is the ultimate test of an actor's craft. Lacking the cinematic benefit of multiple takes, stage acting demands that the actor truly be in the moment, generating complete spontaneity. If you can be convincing under those circumstances, then that illustrates that your dramatic technique is secure.
People also need to remember that you cannot judge an actor's overall ability on the basis of one role. No artist has everything, and all actors give some performances that are more successful than others. Sometimes, an actor may have difficult with a specific role. He might be uncomfortable with the author's choice of words, insecure about the conditions in which the role is being performed, lack understanding about the dramatic action or character motivations, etc. In some cases, a role simply isn't a good fit for a certain actor. He may be a great thespian, but just not be the right person for a specific role. That is why you cannot necessarily assume that someone is a terrible actor on the basis of one performance. Perhaps you merely happened to observe one of the actor's weak performances.
With that said, I think that Hayden did an admirable job with the character of Anakin. As far as I'm concerned, Lucas definitely chose the right person for the role. There are plenty of moments in the prequels where Hayden's dramatic abilities shine. Even if some people feel differently and don't like Hayden's interpretation of the character, they shouldn't just casually dismiss his abilities. Any bashers should take a look at Hayden's other work before they rush to judgment. As I said, you must examine a large body of an artist's work in order to have a clear idea of how skilled he is. After watching Hayden's impressive body of dramatic achievements, I think that anyone would come to the conclusion that he is a major talent.
I totally agree with this.
I also think the negativity from crtics and fans also stems from jealousy. It seems like some "fans" are obsessed with bashing him and trolling his sites and bashing anyone who happens to support the actor.
Its crazy!
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