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merlin Registered: May '99	Date Posted: 5/15/03 12:38am Subject: RE: ~ Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix Discussion Thread ~
	I thought it was OK. I'm gonna have to give it a few more viewings, and also hopefully "Revolutions" will help make some sense out of "Reloaded". In any case, this film had WAY too much CG in it. There was NO need to have the extended fight scenes that there were. It just took away from the movie. I was thinking to myself "Can we just get on with the story already???" A few of the scenes had WAY too much dialogue as well. It just wasn't edited very well. I think the main problem was that there wasn't enough plot development to do anything with the movie. We could have had the scenes containing plot moving devices thrown into "revolutions" and had only one sequel. I was very dissappointed with this movie. Like I said, it was ok, but it really was nothing more than a BUNCH of eye-candy with a pinch of story. Lets hope "Revolutions" can save the trilogy. -----signature----- Dal Shakka Mel!
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-_-_-_-_-_- Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 5/15/03 12:42am Subject: RE: ~ Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix Discussion Thread ~
	I caught the sneak preview at 10 here at my local theater tonight. I had mixed feelings during the first 30 mins of the movie, but after that it really began to feel very natural, storyline and everything. Impressive sequel, can't wait for November to roll around.
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Tan-Wessel Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 5/15/03 12:57am Subject: RE: ~ Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix Discussion Thread ~
	The second movie couldn't grab me as a viewer in the same way as the first movie only because you know what to expect of a Matrix movie now. I love the continuation of this social commentary and the further philosophical questions introduced in the first movie have been expanded upon. If someone were to ask to give one word on what Reloaded is all about, it's LOGIC. Things that weren't really explored upon further in the first movie or were chalked up to a more religious or new age of thinking are addressed (the Oracle, "The One," etc). Again, LOGIC. I plan on some more repeat viewings of this movie, of course. Nice new usages of bullet time, better fight sequences and choreography. The question is no longer "What is real?" Now it is "Why?" Not Why it is real...just WHY in all that word encompasses. Great usage of various visuals to illustrate on how someone's thoughts can be put onto screen for storytelling. There's a few questions at the end of the movie...one directoy involving Neo's status which quickly reintroduces the question "What is real?" and to let the audience know that with Revolutions, all bets are off. -----signature----- "I expect nothing, but anticipate everything."
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Tan-Wessel Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 5/15/03 12:59am Subject: RE: ~ Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix Discussion Thread ~
	The second movie couldn't grab me as a viewer in the same way as the first movie only because you know what to expect of a Matrix movie now. I love the continuation of this social commentary and the further philosophical questions introduced in the first movie have been expanded upon. If someone were to ask to give one word on what Reloaded is all about, it's LOGIC. Things that weren't really explored upon further in the first movie or were chalked up to a more religious or new age of thinking are addressed (the Oracle, "The One," etc). Again, LOGIC. I plan on some more repeat viewings of this movie, of course. Nice new usages of bullet time, better fight sequences and choreography. The question is no longer "What is real?" Now it is "Why?" Not Why it is real...just WHY in all that word encompasses. Great usage of various visuals to illustrate on how someone's thoughts can be put onto screen for storytelling. There's a few questions at the end of the movie...one directoy involving Neo's status which quickly reintroduces the question "What is real?" and to let the audience know that with Revolutions, all bets are off. -----signature----- "I expect nothing, but anticipate everything."
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Queenie Amidala Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 5/15/03 1:01am Subject: RE: ~ Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix Discussion Thread ~
	While it was not the worst thing I've seen in a while (maybe some of y'all didn't make it out to see 25th Hour or Gangs of New York ), I was most definitely disappointed. I have some things to run over, so I need to watch it again. But, it was definitely not at ALL what I was looking forward to. What the heck was that 30 minute-long Zion dance club scene? And that moved the plot (or lack of) where? I was hoping to see some major development and questions answered in this film, and there was none of that. I think the problem was that they wanted to make a trilogy but really should have done it in two films. This film was almost pointless in the grand scheme of the story. It served as an action flick. A good or bad one, depending on your opinions on the use of CGI. -----signature----- No fear hath ye of evil curses, says you. Arrrrrrr. Properly warned ye be, says I.
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THX_Princess Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 5/15/03 1:02am Subject: RE: ~ Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix Discussion Thread ~
	Okay...Ugh. That was horrible. I'm just glad I had advance warning on what it was going to be like or I would have been sick. Can someone please tell me the POINT of that ten minute long dance/nookie scene???? Anyone???? Seriously. -----signature----- Et Earello Endorenna utulien. Sinome maruvan, ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta! "Damn, Smokey, you can't argue with a woman!" --John Crichton I SAVED FARSCAPE! http://www.watchfarscape.com/
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Darth-Lando Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 5/15/03 1:13am Subject: RE: ~ Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix Discussion Thread ~
	Just got back from seeing it and I have to say it totally rocked. My only complaint is that in that once scene near the end my head just about exploded from being confused. But the action scenes were awesome. Wish there was more of the Twins though, they were soooooo tight! This will definetly require a 2nd viewing to grasp the full understanding...and a 3rd, and a 4th, and a 5th... -----signature----- "A delayed game is eventually good, a rushed game is bad forever." - Shigeru Miyamoto San Jose Sharks:12-4-2 Defending President's Trophy Winners
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Tan-Wessel Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 5/15/03 1:14am Subject: RE: ~ Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix Discussion Thread ~
	I know! To emphasize and relate their behaviors to that of like a cult...to show that as humans we are silly and need to feed our hopes and desires for no productive purpose other than to satisfy certain hormones. That whole scene and the sex was there to show the contrast the difference between how humans and the machines are. We humans are all about the fun. Plato's Allegory of the Cave comes to mind as it did with the first movie. This time, though, it's showing that even those who think that the aren't the prisoners in the cave, the individuals who feel that they know the truth are still really in the cave because...later on we find out what the truth behind humanity's existence in the Matrix Universe really is. Or is it? 8) -----signature----- "I expect nothing, but anticipate everything."
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Valkor Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 5/15/03 1:18am Subject: RE: ~ Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix Discussion Thread ~ - Date Edited: 5/15/03 1:25am (1 edits total) Edited By: Valkor
	I liked it, but was pretty confused like a lot of people...too many new characters and too many needless plot twists...obviously to set up Revolutions and make more $$$ The first Matrix will always be the best, that's a given, and I feel that this movie will divide the fan base, much like the Phantom Menace did. Matrix: A+ Matrix Reloaded: B- funniest but true review: "If you're going to rip off another movie, why rip off Ghostbusters? I mean DAMN- "I am the Gatekeeper." "I am the Keymaster". When Neo finally found the Architech, I was expecting him to be Gozer the Gozarian. Maybe next movie they'll have a scene where Morpheus tells Neo "Next time someone asks if you're the One... YOU SAY YES!!" Then the real villian can be revealed as the Stay-Puff Marshmellow Man. " -----signature----- .believe in angels.
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Valkor Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 5/15/03 1:21am Subject: RE: ~ Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix Discussion Thread ~ - Date Edited: 5/15/03 1:25am (1 edits total) Edited By: Valkor
	sorry, computer locked up. -----signature----- .believe in angels.
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Valkor Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 5/15/03 1:23am Subject: RE: ~ Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix Discussion Thread ~ - Date Edited: 5/15/03 1:24am (1 edits total) Edited By: Valkor
	(no message) -----signature----- .believe in angels.
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weezer Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 5/15/03 1:27am Subject: RE: ~ Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix Discussion Thread ~ - Date Edited: 5/15/03 1:40am (1 edits total) Edited By: weezer
	I really liked it. I'd go as far to say that I loved it. Hearing alot of the comments about it in reviews and stuff my expectations were some what lower than orginaly but I have to say all of my expectations were blown out of the water. Some one already compared it to TPM (which I knew would come up and certainly won't be the last) and I actually agree though I would compare it more to AOTC. Probably most people using that comparison will use it as an insult but I use it as praise. Like both TPM and AOTC I knew after watching Matrix II that alot of people were going to comment on the slowness of the film. Lots have mentioned how there should be less of the Zion stuff and more wire-fu (or if you are Harry Knowles more Vampires and Werewolves). Personaly I thought it was balanced quite well. The one drawback I felt was that it seems like it will need more than one viewing. It seemed that a lot of the dialog was an expanded "would you have broken the vase if I didn't tell you about it" sort of thing. It seemed very cyclic always starting with one point and ariving at the same point only later. The end threw me for a loop too (don't worry no spoilers ahead). I was afraid after reading the Time article that I knew the big twist but I didn't.
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Tan-Wessel Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 5/15/03 1:28am Subject: RE: ~ Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix Discussion Thread ~
	I've been thinking about it some more and it reminded me of something actually Star Wars related. When the critics and whoever else went to that first screening of the Phantom Menace, I remember reading some review of how some of the critics were going to try to not overanalyze the new Star Wars flick, but to just enjoy it. With Reloaded, I didn't enjoy it as much as The Matrix, but I did appreciate what the filmmakers were going for. In production, there's three terms in regards to the target audience...the intended message, desired message, and the actual message. I can't really recall the difference between intended and desired, so someone help me out there. But as for the actual message...that is our general response to the movie, iow, the basic good/bad. The actual message for half of us is that "The movie was not as good as the first one/it sucked." With Phantom Menace, it was a very similar situation. I too thought at times that the movie was dragging...and dialogue/themes became repetitive. I need some more repeat viewings to be sure, but for now I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt and chalking that up to the usage of repetition for emphasis. -----signature----- "I expect nothing, but anticipate everything."
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TripleB Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 5/15/03 1:40am Subject: RE: ~ Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix Discussion Thread ~
	Just got back from seeing it....greatest movie ever. Blew Episode 2 out of space.... I truely hope that George Lucas watches this movie, and really takes a step back and remembers those times where Star Wars movies were immortal and for the ages, the era before Jar-Jar Binks or even thinking about putting N'Sync in for a cameo role. Back when he made a SW Galaxy come to life and brought the Force to this galaxy. I hope he watches this movie and says "You know...I remember when I made movies that blew peoples minds out and were the best ever made...Why can't I do that anymore?" ANd I hope he comes to the answer that we all know he must make...banish his kids from the set, bring back Gary Kurtz, relegate MacCallum to CGI only, cast adults and make the movie something we look up to, not down on. -----signature----- 11/07/2006 is going to be a bad day for the Dem's, a great one for the gop because my political realities always pan out & because I will have seen Mel Gibson's THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST 100 times by then!!! VIVA OBI-WAN McCARTNEY!!!! Ep1&2<most EU
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The_Phinzx Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 5/15/03 2:00am Subject: RE: ~ Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix Discussion Thread ~
	just came back from it, i liked it but i thought it could have been much better, the fight scenes where there (for some reason?) to bring in the masses, and there was way too much of that going on, but is that how an adeventure thew the matrix really is? always trying to out run an agent? i have always loved the matrix, but i also thought that it was flawed, i just hope that revolutions can show us stuff that T3 will not, ie:the battle between man and machine, i just hope that the mech scenes will kick major arse! -----signature----- The television screen is the retina of the mind's eye Therefore the television screen is part of the physical structure of the brain. Therefore, whatever appears on the television screen emerges as raw experience for those who watch it.
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