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merlin Registered: May '99	Date Posted: 5/15/03 1:55pm Subject: RE: Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix (spoilers for Reloaded only)
	But it's ALL in the Matrix. It's Fake. Shoot, they could just materialize out of toilets and it would make as much sense. How come all land line phones won't work? Why do only a few work? Why do they NEED to use a phone to go in and out? They don't need to in the Construct program, why do they need to in the Matrix? -----signature----- Dal Shakka Mel!
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dp4m Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 5/15/03 2:07pm Subject: RE: Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix (spoilers for Reloaded only)
	But it's ALL in the Matrix. It's Fake. Shoot, they could just materialize out of toilets and it would make as much sense. How come all land line phones won't work? Why do only a few work? Why do they NEED to use a phone to go in and out? They don't need to in the Construct program, why do they need to in the Matrix? Think of the LITERAL interpretation of an I/O signal in Tron (the "I/O Tower") -- that's what a landline is. It's a literal connection to the I/O infrastructure of the Matrix. That's why it can't be a toilet. Of course, we already knew that the machines are going to lose -- it's obvious that they aren't mobile and can't scale well. They still run on a legacy mainframe system rather than a client/server-based redundant system... -----signature----- "Looks like you're about to get pwned" - Eric Cartman "Awarding experience points for cleverly and creatively generating an enjoyable experience. How warped is that?" - Darths & Droids
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Darth_Yorrick Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 5/15/03 2:19pm Subject: RE: Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix (spoilers for Reloaded only)
	i LOVED this movie, especially all the little things. like the fact that the Arcitect/God looks like Colonel Sanders...it fits in nicely with Mouse's line in The Matrix---" Maybe the machines didnt know what to make chicken taste like, and thats why chicken tastes like everything." -----signature----- *All Hail Blue Yoda* Master of the Blue Quotes
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merlin Registered: May '99	Date Posted: 5/15/03 2:19pm Subject: RE: Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix (spoilers for Reloaded only) - Date Edited: 5/15/03 2:21pm (1 edits total) Edited By: merlin
	Think of the LITERAL interpretation of an I/O signal in Tron (the "I/O Tower") -- that's what a landline is. It's a literal connection to the I/O infrastructure of the Matrix. So you are saying that the "virtual" phonelines in the Matrix are basically the I/O addresses computer components use to communicate with the Processor? For example, my Hard Drive controller uses the I/O ranges 01F0-01F7 and 03F6-03F6 to communicate with the processor and other computer components. If that is the case, then cell phones should still work to do the job should they not? Is it the Matrix that has a tough time tracking the cell phones? If so, why? A cell phone is a creation of the Matrix, surely it can figure out where they all are. Also, why does it only work for CERTAIN landline phones? Why do they all not work? Are they just I/O adresses (telephone numbers) that aren't being monitored by the Matrix at that time? Or if it's an exit, is it ALWAYS an exit until they cut the hardline? -----signature----- Dal Shakka Mel!
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dp4m Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 5/15/03 2:21pm Subject: RE: Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix (spoilers for Reloaded only)
	Also, why does it only work for CERTAIN landline phones? Why do they all not work? Are they just I/O adresses (telephone numbers) that aren't being monitored by the Matrix at that time? Or if it's an exit, is it ALWAYS an exit until they cut the hardline? I think it's the latter -- I think all landlines are an exit, until it's cut. But I'm not 100% sure about that one. -----signature----- "Looks like you're about to get pwned" - Eric Cartman "Awarding experience points for cleverly and creatively generating an enjoyable experience. How warped is that?" - Darths & Droids
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Obi-HaCoR Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 5/15/03 3:26pm Subject: RE: Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix (spoilers for Reloaded only) - Date Edited: 5/15/03 3:29pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Obi-HaCoR
	Personally I am a big fan of Reloaded. I just got back from watching it. I thought the fight scenes were AMAZING. Long but still amazing! The storyline was great, could have used a little more explaning for some of us, but I mean the bases behind it was easy to understand, it's all the little details thats hard to pick up on. I am disappointed with the whole Zion/Rave scenes. I mean geez..........Ya know a couple of quick shots here and there would be good but um...............I think we get the point that they are celebrating like there is no tomorrow. I don't need to sit there for minutes on end, seeing sweaty bodies dancing and Neo and Trinity get it on. Hey, if thats the type of stuff that gets you off then more power to you, but I saw it personally as a waste of valuable time to flesh out the characters and make the story a little more easier to understand. They possibly could have put a warning before the Colonel Sanders scene and held up a dictionary for some of those not very good with vocabulary. Was that person shown at the end of the movie on the table opposite of Neo the same guy that Agent Smith copied himself into??? Just want to make sure I understood that part correctly. Surprisingly I thought it was a great movie with a couple drawn out scenes. I will have to go and see it a coupel more times to get the correct understanding of some of the explanations but ti's all good. I found it extremely cool how Neo discovered his "powers" outside of the Matrix. Extremely awesome. I am definitly looking forward towards Revolutions. GREAT MOVIE! -----signature----- "Sometimes the last thing you want... comes in first, Sometimes the first thing you want...never comes, But I know, waiting is all you can do... sometimes" - Aqualung ("Strange and Beautiful")
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JediMasterAaron Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 5/15/03 3:36pm Subject: RE: Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix (spoilers for Reloaded only)
	To get it out of the way before I say anything else, I loved the movie. It had it's problems, (Like why, if Neo can stop bullets with his mind, why can't he stop people? Why does he even need to fight at all? And why did that sword hurt him? ?:\| ), but for something as all around cool as this flick, I'll overlook it. Anyway, as to Neo having power in the "real world", I don't buy it. I don't think the squids, or Zion for that matter, exist in the Real World. Just like the Keymaker was talking about, the Matrix has layers. The squids, and Zion, all exist on merely another level of the Matrix. Neo will continue to have powers until his is completely and totally freed from the Matrix as a whole, in my opinion. Just my two cents. JMA -----signature----- In nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti Are you trying to say that Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
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Pooja Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 5/15/03 3:39pm Subject: RE: Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix (spoilers for Reloaded only)
	... That is my opinion of Matrix Reloaded. ... (hell yes, thank you Wachowski's).
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GuitarGuy1983 Registered: Jan '03	Date Posted: 5/15/03 3:43pm Subject: RE: Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix (spoilers for Reloaded only)
	Simply incredible..I'm still trying to digest everything, but I'm about ready to say it's the best movie I've ever seen..I'm still in awe. -----signature----- I'm destined to be left :-(
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merlin Registered: May '99	Date Posted: 5/15/03 3:51pm Subject: RE: Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix (spoilers for Reloaded only)
	I think it's the latter -- I think all landlines are an exit, until it's cut. But I'm not 100% sure about that one. Then why would they have to run and run and run and run to get to an exit. He could just ring up whatever phone is nearest to them. I really wish we'd get an explaination in the movies about this. I'm about ready to say it's the best movie I've ever seen. Are you kidding??? "The Matrix Reloaded" doesn't hold a candle to "The Matrix". The plot was almost non existent and the CG fight scenes were way too long and almost boring. Nothing but CG FX Driven eye candy. I was severely dissappointed. -----signature----- Dal Shakka Mel!
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Tan-Wessel Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 5/15/03 3:52pm Subject: RE: Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix (spoilers for Reloaded only)
	The main reason for the phones being used is for the general audience to better understand what's going on in terms they are familiar with. The phone isn't necessary at all...it could very well have been a toilet. Towards the end of Reloaded, Morpheus returned to the real world via a doorway that the Keymaker told him to use, not a landline connected phone. I don't think that the "real world" is yet another matrix or other program. I think it really is the real world. If it were just another program, why go through all the trouble that the machines are going through...why not just write a whole other program to replace it with...if it weren't real, why would they need to go through the cycle of waiting for the anomoly of The One to occur so that they can restart/repeat again? I think the reason for Neo's feeling "different" in the real world is either related to his merge with Smith from The Matrix or the doorway from the Architect's room that led to rescuing Trinity. Either way I believe that both the Smith plot and the Neo choosing Door #2 scenarios resulted into new subroutines of the Matrix as well. According to the Architect, the prior 5 One's chose Door #1. There was no mention of a Smith situation happening before, but it can't be totally ruled out that it hasn't happened before. Still, it seems as though the Smith situation is a new one for the machines as well right now, for story's sake. Now that I think about it I think that the Smith merge has to do with Neo's abilities to stop the Sentinels. He's human afterall, that's why he's in a coma now. He didn't exhibit his Matrix powers in the real world, he exhibited the ability to stop the Sentinels immediately and shut them down. When the sentinels stopped and dropped, the animation did not show the usual warping wave effects when Neo stops things in the Matrix. I think Neo had the ability to stop the sentinels since the first movie, I also think that the emp wave from the first movie could be related, but I'm not positive about it. Even though Neo had this ability all the time since the first movie, I don't think he was really aware until his discussion with the Architect. After all, with the new information that the architect gave him, Neo now could entertain other ideas and concepts in his head. His ability to stop the sentinels probably has something to with some freakish emp thing. His knowledge of programming, the knowledge from merging with smith, and the knowledge of being able to read the Matrix code probably gave him a better understanding of how the machine's "language" works. The merging with smith also probably gave him the knowledge and ability of how to communicate with other machines. Human beings can conduct electricty. (think static) In the real world he probably tried to use this knowledge and information with his own human abilities to try to at best channel what electricity ran through him out through his hand. The amount of concentration in just a human's brain gave him a hemorage or whatever the proper word is there. For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction. So maybe whatever electricity was being forced out of neo there was also a backlash just as equal that put him in his coma. Anyways, that's my theory more or less. I'm open to any suggestions/comments and especially help in making it make more sense. -----signature----- "I expect nothing, but anticipate everything."
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Tan-Wessel Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 5/15/03 3:55pm Subject: RE: Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix (spoilers for Reloaded only)
	I know why he can stop the bullets and not the people. The people are either other humans or programs themselves. The bullets and weapons are just constructs. I think. -----signature----- "I expect nothing, but anticipate everything."
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Darth_Yorrick Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 5/15/03 3:55pm Subject: RE: Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix (spoilers for Reloaded only)
	you people with your "if Neo can stop bullets why cant he just freeze the agents" gripe.... the bullets are a very simple program, once you fire the bullet, the small piece of metal flys in a strait line until it hits something or is stopped. bullets dont think. and agent on the other hand is a much more complex program simulating bone, muscle and flesh. unlike a bullet which experiences an initial accelaration (bang) and then just coasts.... a punch has continued power in it...i.e. the agent is still extending his arm. and as i said, bullets are simple and dont think, agents do. when you stop a bullet in its path, it falls. if Neo somehow managed to stop an agent's punch, the agent would follow through with a different punch. in closing, the reason Neo can stop bullets but not agents is because a bullet in the matrix is a simple program with very few variables. -----signature----- *All Hail Blue Yoda* Master of the Blue Quotes
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merlin Registered: May '99	Date Posted: 5/15/03 3:58pm Subject: RE: Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix (spoilers for Reloaded only) - Date Edited: 5/15/03 4:00pm (1 edits total) Edited By: merlin
	I don't think that the "real world" is yet another matrix or other program. I think it really is the real world. If it were just another program, why go through all the trouble that the machines are going through...why not just write a whole other program to replace it with...if it weren't real, why would they need to go through the cycle of waiting for the anomoly of The One to occur so that they can restart/repeat Possibly because the Matrix doesn't know the Real World isn't real? The "Matrix" has it's purpose, and it doesn't know (nor does it need to know) that it is a program inside of another program? Just a possibility. EDIT: Darth_Yorrick, that makes a lot of sense. -----signature----- Dal Shakka Mel!
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JediMasterAaron Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 5/15/03 4:01pm Subject: RE: Matrix: Reloaded, Revolutions and Animatrix (spoilers for Reloaded only)
	The people are either other humans or programs themselves. The bullets and weapons are just constructs. I would think that bullets are programs too, considering the piece of cake that the Margovian (sp?) had sent to the beautiful lady was a program. It would stand to reason that everything in the Matrix is a program of one sort or another, with the obvious exceptions of the humans. JMA -----signature----- In nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti Are you trying to say that Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
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