JCC ~~** OFFICIAL **~~ WOCKY NEWS DEPOSITORY THREAD. TOS MINDED. MOD APPROVED. PROBABLY

Refuses to discuss the waters of his homeworld.

 

This is true; for though we know the year of his birth other details of his home world are a mystery to us.

I hear he loves cheese. Especially fruit and cheese.

 

Wait wait wait. He tries to play matchmaker for you, too?

 

- Had a 17 month long romantic relationship with then United States Attorney General Janet Reno from 1994-1995.

- College roommate was Gene Roddenberry. He took notes whenever Wocky would talk in his sleep and those notes became the basis for "Star Trek".

- His long time hobby of falconry was instrumental in finding a lost horde of Nazi gold.

- Refuses to speak of or even be in the same room as Bette Midler.

 

The hell, Jello?

One thread was dead, and of a different purpose. But that's cool, you just meander in here possessed of honey glazed ham fists and MODERATE THE PLACE UP.

 

Honey glazed ham flavored Jello? Interesting.

 

I'm not crying, I'm pleased to see an act of clumsy and unnecessary moderation performed for no other reason than arguably you were bored and/or in the mood to kill a thread. It makes me nostalgic because that's basically the TwilekJedi school of moderating right there.

 

Jabba-wocky Please explain yourself.

 

What is there to explain? Apollonia was a much better human being, they conducted a more fitting courtship, and both families were more involved and integrated. Kay destroyed everyone's whole life.

 

Her courtship with Michael is the weakest part of the film, and represents the worst of old time, small minded folk. So this random American-Italian gangster shows up, and within days he gets to marry her? The hell? At least the courtship of Kay was more sensible, despite all of her ills. Kay may have been part crazy & part naive, but at least she wasn't a complete country bumpkin.

 

How can you say their families were more involved when there's no evidence anyone else in Michael's family even met Apollonia? As it is I don't think her character can really be commented on either as all we know is she loved Michael and was trying to learn the days of the week that one time. She's a completely flat character. At least Kay did something.

 

How dare you say that, Tunick? Let's review the actual facts of what happened. First, he was extensively interviewed by her parents before he was even allowed to meet the girl. Then, extensive inquiries made into his background to ensure that he was a nice person. From there, they had a wonderful, meaningful, interaction. Michael had a chance to meet and talk to the girl in a number of neutral, idyllic settings where they could focus on building relationship fundamentals instead of getting distracted with unimportant, superficial elements. Just as importantly, Michael was at the same time being introduced to her brothers, cousins, parents, aunts and uncles. When the two approved of each other, they went ahead with a ceremony. Is there anything more ideal?*

EDIT: Really, MrZap? I think we can conclude quite a few things about her. She very much loves her husband. She feels that family is deeply important. In both her enthusiasm for driving and English, she shows real curiosity and a lively intellect. Finally, in that her attitude doesn't much change from when she is living happily in the countryside or married to one of the most powerful men in America, we also know that she is not a person to be greatly affected by wealth or changed by poverty. She is a stable, honest person. Unfortunately, none of these things can be said about Kay. I should think that pretty well finishes this debate, no?

*I mean, obviously, one thing. But I like to imagine he asked her during one of the conversations we couldn't hear, because they were just playing music over it.

 

I'm basing this of the film of course... perhaps things were a bit different in the novel.

All we see his her father... at least it's the only family member of hers that got a speaking role. We can't assume that her mother was involved, or even if she was alive. Let's say she was alive: given the father's inclination to let his daughter (basically) instantly marry a strange man, and Apollonia's acceptance of it all of that shows to me a woman who is willing to be pushed around, one who grew up in an environment in which the patriarchy ruled the day... thus, rendering her mother will little to no power. And you knew, even without her demise, that Michael wasn't really going to stay in Italy with Apollonia... eventually, they would have headed back to New York.

That hadn't happened yet... all that occurs when he returns from Italy.

 

Well this is exciting

 

Fine, I will happily amend to say it was only her father. But you are projecting, Tunick. You even admitted yourself that she was very happy with him. Why are you acting like her choice can't be a valid one? Just because it's not the choice you would have made doesn't mean it wasn't hers. Nor does it mean anyone forced her to do anything. Why don't you have respect for the fact that she can make her own life choices?

Also, for all your barking about her marrying a criminal, can I point something out?

Crimes Committed While In A Relationship with Apollonia: 0
Crimes Committed While In A Relationship with Kay: Every single one in the entire trilogy

I'm just saying.

 

Apollonia looks like a Margaery, if you know what I mean. Well versed in the art of... penis.

 

Actually, Michael is in Sicily for two years. The courtship is almost certainly over the course of months. Kay, on the other hand, Michael drops cold in the middle of their courtship, ignores for three years, including a year in which he's in the country, and then shows up to out of nowhere and basically demands a family from. Michael's marriage to Apollonia may be old-fashioned, but it's healthier than his marriage to Kay, about which nothing was right. Not that anything Wocky says actually makes sense there (Michael destroyed everyone's lives, not Kay, that's the point of the damn movies), but Michael's relationship with Kay, after he went into exile, was deeply unhealthy.

 

That's a Game of Thrones reference isn't it?


Havac I had forgotten about the timeline... still, we aren't quite sure how long the courtship lasted; I'm never going to like that part of the film. Why is an old fashioned courtship/wedding better anyway?


Sent from my iPhone 5... take that, Wocky!

 

I'm not saying it's better than a more modern marriage -- that's just Wocky being Wocky. In fact, Michael and Kay's initial romance, from what we see of it, appears to be perfectly normal and healthy. What the Sicilian marriage compares favorably to is Michael's cold, domineering approach to Kay -- you can't really call it romance or courtship -- and marriage after his return. In Sicily, Michael may initiate the relationship by asking permission of her father and family, but at least there's actual courtship, as he talks with her and woos her under their supervision, and she does have the chance to say no to him if she doesn't like him, so the end result is a marriage of two people who like each other and appear happy together. Which is more than you can say for Michael's controlling, selfish, loveless relationship with Kay.

 

I win again, Ender.