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Amph Trenchcoats Are Back, Baby: The Matrix Resurrections

Discussion in 'Community' started by Deputy Rick Grimes, Mar 1, 2014.

  1. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That's a matter of opinion that the other two films sucked.
     
  2. tom

    tom Chosen One star 8

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  3. JoinTheSchwarz

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    Really? Here I thought I was establishing canon.
     
  4. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    The Matrix: I loved it.
    Reloaded: If not for its post production problems, if it's special effects had been perfect, I might have liked it more than the first.
    Revolutions: I sort of like it enough to watch it when nothing is on but my list of things I did not like is greater than the other two combined.

    Overall, I would most certainly go see another trilogy, unless the first sucked bad.
     
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  5. Jarren_Lee-Saber

    Jarren_Lee-Saber Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    DON'T TEMPT ME!!

    I want this soooo bad. But I'm sure its just another hoax.
     
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  6. Eeth-my-Koth

    Eeth-my-Koth Jedi Grand Master star 9

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    Tom brings up an excellent point.
     
  7. poor yorick

    poor yorick Ex-Mod star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP - Game Host

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    The Matrix: Loved it
    Reloaded: Liked it
    Revolutions: Hated it so much the hate reached back in time and made me hate the first two. And forward in time to make sure I would hate any reboot/sequel/prequel. Haty haty haty hate.
     
  8. Eeth-my-Koth

    Eeth-my-Koth Jedi Grand Master star 9

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    I just pretend the sequels don't exist. Makes life easier. Though I do enjoy the highway chase in reloaded.
     
  9. soitscometothis

    soitscometothis Chosen One star 6

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    To be fair, sci-fi author Michael Moorcock accused Morrison of outright stealing stuff for some of his Invisibles work:
    ^from Wikipedia's Gideon Stargrave entry

    I've not read either The Invisibles or Moorcock's Jerry Cornelius stories so I don't know how fair Moorcock was being in his accusations, or how close The Matrix was to The Invisibles; I was stunned by the , er, coincidence that the movie featured a virtual world called "The Matrix" where willpower could alter reality and dying there would lead to dying in the real world, while the 1976 Doctor Who story The Deadly Assassin featured a virtual world called "The Matrix" where willpower could alter reality and dying there would lead to dying in the real world.

    Also I think the sequels kinda suck.
     
  10. JoinTheSchwarz

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    I've read both. Gideon Stargrave IS a Jerry Cornellius pastiche... but so is Matt Fraction's Casanova and a thousand other derivations. I don't know exactly what irked Moorcock so much about Morrison's version, considering he had been inciting everyone to write their own Cornellius stories. I'm sure there's a subtle difference betweeen their approaches that I can't see but, no matter what, he's completely in his rights to be angry. It's hiscreation, after all. I bet Morrison was more than bit confused by the reaction, though.

    Now, The Matrix and The Invisibles... The first volume of The Invisibles is a about a rebellious kid being suddenly chased by strange and omnipotent agents but luckily being saved by a resistance team led by a very charismatic bald man that is convinced he's some kind of Messiah. They also show him that the real world is just an illusion. The kid struggles with his apparent destiny until the bald man is kidnapped. He then manages to save him and has a climactic fight against one of the evil agents, becoming the first person in history to destroy one and being accepted as the Chosen One by his companions. He then says there's a lot more to do.

    The only thing the Wachowski siblings changed was the aesthetics, giving the same storyline a cyberpunk and anime face lift. It's like saying Apocalypse Now was influenced by Heart of Darkness.
     
  11. soitscometothis

    soitscometothis Chosen One star 6

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    ^Wow, sounds horribly close. And this would explain why the first film is so much better (imo) than the next two, which I feel bungle the concept created in the original film.
     
  12. Ramza

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    Also, you should read The Invisibles, it's really good.
     
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  13. Chancellor_Ewok

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    I don't think they sucked at all. They had some brilliantly executed set-piece action sequences. The freeway chase in particular was breathtaking.
     
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  14. Darth Maul Apprentice

    Darth Maul Apprentice Jedi Master star 4

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    Both sequels had insane action. The breech of Zion with all those sentinels was crazy.
     
  15. Chancellor_Ewok

    Chancellor_Ewok Chosen One star 7

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    Agreed. The Battle of Zion was jaw dropping.
     
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  16. I Are The Internets

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    The burly brawl in Reloaded is so laughably over-done and fake that it almost takes me out of enjoying the rest of the movie. It does get a little better as it progresses. I enjoyed Revolutions immensely, but I've only seen it once.
     
  17. Arawn_Fenn

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    But... but... it had no central characters in it!!! Why am I supposed to care about a seventeen minute sequence with no central characters??? I'm a focus group and we get distracted by that kind of stuff!
     
  18. Chancellor_Ewok

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    That's not really true though. They inter-cut Morpheus and Niobe trying to get back to Zion with Commander Locke and Captain Mifune trying to hold the dock and contain the Sentinels.
     
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  19. Darth Maul Apprentice

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    @Arwan_Fenn And your point is what? I just said I liked the action scenes. So what if the main characters aren't in it for 17 minutes? I don't. It doesn't take away from the action scenes themselves being good to me.
     
  20. Arawn_Fenn

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    I'm not really a focus group.
     
  21. Darth Maul Apprentice

    Darth Maul Apprentice Jedi Master star 4

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    It doesn't make a difference either way.
     
  22. I Are The Internets

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    I did think it was hilarious how in Revolutions that one guy with the luchadore outfit is shooting at Morpheus and Trinity and then decides to jump on the ceiling for no particular reason.
     
  23. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    If you could jump on the ceiling, wouldn't you do it for no particular reason?
     
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  24. JoinTheSchwarz

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  25. duende

    duende Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    my problem with the last two films, and especially the third film, is that so much of the acting and dialogue is, like, bad tv movie-level. i really liked the ideas and the whole mythology, but they weren't able to set them in a fully fleshed-out, "round" drama. also, i didn't mind the christian themes, heavy-handed as they were.