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It sounds to me like starocean90 would really appreciate it if we voted Starocean90 for fascist dictator of this place.

 

finally new rumors.

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/star-wars-...t-teaser-trailer-details-leaked-online-718420

 

Never mind.

 

Star Wars theorist Mike Zeroh

Quoting the online portal 4Chan,

 

Any site that quotes Zeroh needs to be added to your router's blacklist so you can't accidentally click on them anymore.

 

Damn! Just blocked this forum ....

 

You might be giving Snoke too much credit. He probably watched Ben and took advantage of insecurities he had later in life...but we can't say Ben was manipulated in the womb. It's clear that Ben's pretty powerful, and on some level he may have sensed whatever was in the outerrim, but it's currently a stretch to say their was direct manipulation going on.

One of the things Adam Driver said he is looking forward too is audiences seeing how human the characters are, and how two sides can believe that are absolutely correct, justifying any action. Being twisted in the womb doesn't really fit with that, being tempted later in life does. Looking at the three Villains from the New Star Trek (Which JJ had a hand in) it's easy to see what Adam could be talking about.

Nero was a man who believed in Spock, supported him before his government, and who helped him mine the red matter when he could've been saving his wife and the families of his crew. However the Romulan Empire, and the Federation slowed Spock down causing him to fail to stop the nova. Nero and his crew lost everything, and laid the blame at Spocks feet. A very Human thing to do.

Khan, in the end, wanted his family back. That was the driving motivation for everything he did.

Krall (spoilers) was a hero and former Star Fleet captain...who lost his way and his crew. Who couldn't deal with the changes in the federation and humanity.

These people were not born evil, they were not manipulated in the womb. They made choices that set them on a path that lead them to horrible actions. From his actions in TFA, the power he shows, and the immaturity he has within him, it seems to me that in the end...Kylo Choose this path..and there's a very good chance it will destroy him.

 

OMG must control fist of death. I'm to the point where I click on a reported spoiler and get this intense visceral response if Zeroh's nonsense pops up in it.

 

Walks in, shakes head, walks out.....

 

NTIP is discussing the state of the Galaxy from 1 hour mark:

http://makingstarwars.net/2017/03/episode-172-makingstarwars-nets-now-podcasting/

It's very interesting, in depth discussion. The Republic has fallen, does not exist anymore. Various worlds join either the Resistance or the First Order. Speculation: Finn may be going to casino planet to get money to finance the war effort. Looks like it's going to be an all out war. I can't do it justice so listen for yourself.

1:21:00 they discuss Biohexacrypt and think it's the "rejuvenation" thing they take Finn out of at the beginning of TLJ.

 

The power vacuum is something that the GFFA has not seen before. In prequels, the Republic yielded to the Empire. In the OT, the Empire was the ruling regime.

And now there is nothing? Because the First Order doesn't just assume control. This is chaos the galaxy has not seen during the saga. It means no planet is a guaranteed safe haven for anyone. IT's everyone for themselves.

 

I think I'm giving Snoke due credit. I'm basing my observations on what is in the canon material, which does in fact state that Ben was troubled by something in the womb. I do not see this as an unrelated coincidence.

Also, I know and care nothing about the Star Trek movies, so that is not a discussion to be had with me. I saw Into Darkness because my date wanted to go, but I committed none of it to memory.

 

Birkendoc The way you put it, it sounds like another Carl Jung quote (and we know that SW is Jungian and Rian named Jung as one of influences for TLJ):




I also think that this quote may have influenced The Force Awakens title:



So to decode/spoil TLJ, follow Jung quotes.

 

So this is what it looks like when Disney wins. What a massacre!

 

I don't rule it out by any means. But I don't think it is a foregone conclusion.

 

The use of "crypt" seems like an odd title to use for a healing device.

Just from the word, it sounds like something to do with Snoke, who I believe is an ancient being revived from a stasis.

 

I think it's a multifactorial effect when it comes to the formation of Kylo Ren. You can have a baby that was contacted by Snoke in utero that sets temptation and ruin in motion later in life.

What would be the purpose of a prenatal contact? It wouldn't be a boogeyman trying to scare a child. It would be contact to establish a link (I'm not going to say "bond" because lord almighty is that a weighted word) between the two and to establsh a connection that could be used for exploitation earlier. Infants bond (okay, I used the word, but not in the "force bond blah blah blah" sense) with their parents fairly quickly. It helps define a sense of self and security; it helps define the understanding that your parents will not harm you and will provide for you.

But what if there is a third connection with that same sense of belonging and sense that your needs will be met? What if no one other than you knows about that connection? Could it be used to drive a wedge between yourself and your parents as that relationship/connection grows over time? What if you had someone whispering to you, "Sure your parents say they care for you, but I'm the only one who knows what you really need." It's like those fascist, authoritarian 1930's (and maybe more recently as well) speeches where a leader declares, "I'm the only one that can save/help you."

Those types of subtle actions wouldn't be enough to send Ben over to the dark side, but it may be enough to plant seeds of doubt in a child and make him question his sense of self and security so when the ultimate manipulations and temptations come knocking later in life, Snoke is already there to allow for the final manipulation and nudge.

In utero contact isn't the be all and end all in this theory about Ben Solo's fall to the dark side. Consider it the first nudge of many that aimed him in that direction.

And it also goes to show how very powerful and sinister that Snoke truly is. Have we ever had a bad guy in the saga that has reached this far back into a person's life, that interactions occurred even before birth?

 

Birkendoc Your theory is interesting so I'm wondering whether meditation in Aftermath Life Debt unwittingly opened the "channel" when the baby responded through the Force. They wouldn't have named the tree "serpent's puzzle" if they didn't want some sense of foreshadowing. Maybe that theorizing is better suited for Snoke Thread? I'd like to hear more.

 

John Boyega is on China
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRVq6Q0g3iM/?taken-by=jboyega_

ps: I loved his haircut

 

Will move it over there! Let me try to put some thoughts together

 

So if The Last Jedi refers to the final Jedi, I think that Bly book of shadow stuff is on the money and we're looking at a new kind of Force user who can balance the light and the dark - possibly seeing both Rey and Ren having to work together. Either way, that's huge for the saga - and I think hugely exciting.

 

Satipo, the title "The Last Jedi" has been confirmed as plural. I think it's probably about the struggle of Luke, Rey and any others (Finn? Ren?) to reestablish the order.

 

You're still giving Snoke too much credit, at present we have not seen him, in film, reach out as you describe. We have a baby being troubled...but that is a far cry from saying 'Snoke Manipulated Ben in the womb.' Ben might be sensing the rising darkness or the presence of this thing in the outer rim and it's causing the growing child distress...but again...that doesn't mean Snoke was influencing him in the womb.

And you completely missed the point. JJ worked on those movies and the Villains were not born evil, they made choices, reacted to situations in such away that the became evil whether or not they recognized it. That's what makes them human and their motivations understandable.