TV Discussion Homosexuality in Star Wars Television

It's an ensemble cast, but she's not the titular Supergirl if that's what you're asking.

 

We’ll it’s great that one of the main characters is LGBTQ.

I am on board with outright having a gay/lesbian couple who show there love in a similar way to Kanan and Hera or even more obvious then them.

 

Indeed! I'm not good at subtle. *adjusts crown*

Well done, internet.

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Surprising literally no one who knows my posts from the sequel trilogy diversity thread, I read Zeb and Kallus's epilogue scene as being romantic. I'd love for some actual confirmation from Filoni and co., but that's looking less likely and so I've switched my hopes to a more direct confirmation in the inevitable tie-in novel we get about them. It did seem a bit rushed since Zeb and Kallus haven't even spoken since The Honorable Ones but as others have pointed out, there are literal years in the show that we don't see where a relationship could have developed.

I do think they need to take an official stance on whether or not it's a romantic or platonic ending at some point though, because leaving it as a "oooh it might be representation!" type thing is kind of awful - fans have been asking for LGBT rep for years now and having the only onscreen couple just be left up to interpretation is not chill.

 

Didn't you see Alessander nearly have a heart attack when he thought Zeb was in trouble?

 

They've been texting off-screen.

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Spoiler alert it’s a surprise.

 

@DarthBreezy how could I forget that? trust me, during the entire finale I kept yelling whenever they'd stand next to each other or glance at each other - because I thought that was all we were going to get from them. (I've been a shipper for a while, can't you tell?)

On a more serious note, Filoni finally gave an interview on the Zeb/Kallus shipping phenomenon. On the one hand, he definitely uses the word love to describe how they feel about each other. On the other, he says it's entirely up to interpretation. So I guess this means that we can't celebrate having LGBT characters actually onscreen now, unless Word of God changes at some point. Here's the interview for those who are curious: https://io9.gizmodo.com/star-wars-r...&utm_source=io9_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

 

I guess that's sort of what I expected - neither a confirmation or a denial. Given that Dave Filoni very firmly debunked the idea of a Sabine/Ezra relationship in the last Rebels recon, he could have done the same here....but chose not to. Which certainly says something.

But I understand and share your frustrations over the canon limbo.

 

Not every close male relationship has to be something homosexual. Not that there's anything wrong with a gay couple or that I would be opposed in this instance (though a digitigrade purple dog monster and a human is a bit weird for me but whatevs). I think its important to be able to show men (or any other character) being compassionate, caring, or loving towards each other without a romantic subtext. I think part of the problem that Filoni mentions with regards to men afraid of showing their softer side to each other is because any kind of such compassion is often assumed to be due to some kind of latent eroticism. Which is unfortunate. Platonic relationships are important part of life too. Not everything has to be characters shacking up.

 

Unfortunately, it seems that over all Star Wars fans aren't exactly.... 'enlightened to subtlety' - Seriously, there are people out there convinced that Kanan and Hera were platonic friends (until that kiss) - Hell, some are even convinced that Jacen may be either adopted or some form of genetic manipulation.

Sex between consenting adults of the opposite gender is hard enough for them to grasp - Love and sex between the same gender? It makes their heads explode....

 

You say this as if we have never seen a platonic relationship in Star Wars before.

 

I'm happy they left Zeb and Kallus's relationship somewhat ambiguous so viewers can interpret it whichever way they like....some can see it as the ultimate forgiveness and redemption for Kallus who finds a home with the very people he almost destroyed....others can see a happy romantic future for Zeb and Kallus.... both interpretations make me very happy.

 

And this is precisely why people who have a problem with this have said problem. People watch SW to watch SW not to hear characters discuss what it is like to be non-straight.
Straight characters (and people) never just sit around discussing what it is like being straight, it is a non-topic.
Plus sexuality never was a huge part of SW, in 10 movies we have like.. 3 confirmed couples that actually shape the plot?
SW is an action adventure series, not a sitcom, not slice of life and not romance, characters' sexuality is only relevant when it leads to the next plot point and then it is forgotten until it is needed again.

 

Personally, I'm against the Zeb/Kallus romantic angle on the basis that no matter how much that person may regret it or wish to repent, it doesn't strike me as plausible that you can enter into a romantic relationship with someone who was an active participant in the attempted (and for the most part largely successful) genocide of your people. It just doesn't ring true.

To me, that pairing feels more like a response to the shippers than something that evolves naturally from the story as we see it play out. I would say someone like Gregor probably would have been a better fit for our favourite Lasat. They hit it off when the Ghost crew first bumped into Rex and the gang.

 

As soon as something like that happens, it would become a "controversal" news item and filter to the parents, who'll then, for the most part, say "Nope." I think the target audience is ages 4-10. Maybe that would work in a comic or something, which are aimed at 8, 9, 10-12(?) year olds, without hurting profits.

Besides, wouldn't we want Zeb to be with someone of his own people? I thought Zeb's race was endangered. If that's the case, it's imperative that he find another zeb and start making babies asap, to...propagate the species.

Save the zebs

 

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Nah.

ZebXKallus 4 lyfe.

 

Ah, but gay people were never ostracised in the GFFA. At least that's how I see it. I like to imagine the SW universe as a more perfect version of ours when it comes to things like sexuality, race, gender, etc.

If a human and Twi'lek want to be together, no one cares. If Lasat and human want to be together, no one cares either.

 

Humans and Twi'leks can procreate.

 

Very, very, well said!!!

 

I don't think thr vast majority of parents out there with little ones that watch Rebels, are online talking about Star Wars, let alone complaining about it.

 

Indeed.

The fact that SW, despite some cultural artifacts of the various times it has been produced, has always been progressive at heart, is one of the reasons for why those kids you're talking about (I've raised two and work with plenty) can get into all eras of SW and see it all as one thing. But they also do get pretty excited about the representation, and upset at idiots who don't like it... basically they are correctly puzzled by why anyone who likes SW would like it less based on the gender, race or orientation of its leads. (Both my daughters were "Kalazeb shippers" from the moment it first looked possible).

 

Nah, sorry chief, but that's just a ueadcanon. I'm not against the headcanon, but I don't headcanon them that way. But yeah, she's not really lesbian.

Eh, nope. I'm gonna have to say it again, they're not together and Latts isn't lesbian. That whole thing is just a headcanon and headcanons aren't actually true. You can still believe she is, but in reality, just note that she isn't. And no, they're not "make out eyes". She's interested in what her friend has to say. That part should be pretty clear. Guess not to everyone. Again, headcanon her however you want. It's all fine.

Yeah, same here. It looks just like friends who are in deep **** that need to stick together. If they are together, I'm not against that but I'm just saying it doesn't look homosexual.

I don't know how many people must here this but I hope you're just saying Ventress and Latts as a headcanon ship because, in truth, it's both pretty clear and a fact that neither one is lesbian. Hope that helps.

I think you missed it because it's not there. I think people must realize that the "Latts is lesbian" thing is simply a headcanon. So not true. Also, you were correct in never noticing that they were "make out" eyes because they're not. It's actually quite obvious that the expression on her face is interest for what her friend has to say. Also, it then quickly changes to concern. Also, Latts has shown no interest in anyone romantically so you can ship her with whoever you want but just remember that the lesbian thing is just a headcanon. Also it's specifically stated in valid sources (meaning not biased and not opinion bases sources) that it is just a drink with a friend. Nowhere legitimate does it say its a date. Also, several months ago I saw several blurbs on said legitimate sources saying that Latts shows concern for Ventress. Nowhere does it say they are "make out" eyes. Mainly because they clearly aren't. Hope that helps clear a few things up.