Senate Going Postal: The 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

Spoiler: Bad Words Inside

 

Oh boy.

Some minor thoughts on the debate:

I think nearly all Democrats had great points regarding Universal Healthcare, but I think I side with Harris on that one overall.

O'Rourke made some good points about gun control, including the use of AK-47s, although I still lean conservative on that particular issue. I have mixed feelings about mandatory gun confiscation.

About climate change, not much to debate. I loved what Biden said about America accomplishing anything its citizens put its mind to. That is an issue that needs to be addressed without delay, as long as it does not tread on individual liberties.

Don't know what to say about the immigration discussion. I mean I have opinions, but I think we should do more to prevent illegal immigration, especially since people are risking their lives to bypass the border. We can realistically only take in so many at a time, but that doesn't mean we have to stop entirely.
I hate the camps. No reason for them to exist. They should be closed without any debate in my opinion, and internees should be given the option to either apply legally for citizenship or the alternative. Biden was right about contrasting Obama's policies with Trump's.

I haven't heard much about her, but I was impressed by Amy Klobuchar overall. Disappointed that Tulsi Gabbard wasn't onstage.

 

I don't want either of them to be president but those are basically the only ones who would have added more to the debate (and Inslee, but well...). At least Gabbard looks likely(?) to make #4.

 

Here you go:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/13/castro-questioned-bidens-memory-1494495

 

Yeah that was really ugly and probably his worst moment of the night.

 

The real winner of last night's debate: Donald Trump.

All I saw yesterday was a reinforcement of Democrats' two main problems: lack of unity and inability to message. Trump excels at both. If this trajectory continues, along with yet another attempt to revive the impeachment corpse, then forget taking back the WH, or holding the lower chamber.

On another note, can anyone tell me what Biden's positions are on anything, other than "it's too expensive?"

Also, minimal discussion of the economy overall. What the hell was that, CNN? It's equal or superior to healthcare as the main issue at the polls next year, and it barely got mentioned. Weak.

 

By this time last primary, you could see that something really odd and interesting was happening in the Republican primaries. The periphery was coalescing, and as obscene as it felt, Trump's rise in the ranks felt inevitable.

Aside from Warren or Sanders, I don't see viable frontrunners emerging, debate after debate. Are people in the middle ready to accept that?

Don't think Biden can't make it through this primary. Old people love him, but I think by the end, he'll have embarrassed himself and debased his "legacy" in every other demographic.

Note that I probably wouldn't have put quotes around legacy if he'd remained in his place in history as Obama's chummy VP. Now I'm constantly reminded of every 2019-wrong thing he's said the last fifty years.

 

Yeah somehow despite having even more candidates than the GOP primary this one has proved to be much less interesting and eventful so far. I chalk a lot of that up to how the DNC has been handling polling and debates, but I wonder if maybe it also feels that way because in some ways the political atmosphere is also different. We're constantly distracted by the current administration in ways that didn't happen as much in 2016. It probably benefits Trump in the long run if nothing changes.

 

Did they really ask Sanders AGAIN about socialism and Cuba and Venezuela?
At this point hasn't this issue been clarified enough?

 

The link is broken.

Let's look at this:

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- As the incoming Congress prepares to debate further changes to the U.S. healthcare system, solid majorities of Americans rate the coverage (69%) and quality (80%) of the healthcare they personally receive as "excellent" or "good." By contrast, Americans are much less positive about healthcare in the U.S. in general, with a bare majority rating the quality of U.S. healthcare positively (55%) and about a third giving positive reviews to U.S. healthcare coverage (34%).

So if everyone thinks their own healthcare is great (they do) yet thinks that everyone else's is bad, then they have been fooled.

If everyone is satisfied to the margin of 69%, why else would those same people rate healthcare overall as bad? Because overall, it's actually good.

 

If you have access.

here’s the link:

https://humanparts.medium.com/the-day-i-stopped-believing-in-american-democracy-46d077e9336f

 

Most if not all the immigrants crossing are seeking asylum but when walking through the desert there isn't a big neon sign that says enter. Its not like the old days when your boat brought you to Ellis Island you enter where you can and then when you get picked up you are supposed to be given Asylum the problem with this is The current Trump administration is not granting asylum to those seeking it and separating families and locking them in cages indefinitely. that is the very definition of a concertation camp a concertation of all the same race or countrymen.

As for the debate I didn't watch I needed Sleep I am going to Disney today! But remember back to this point in Obama's first election term Obama was what like in the 1% of all candidates in the debate. I am still rooting for Kamala Harris I think she is a great debater, can beat Trump, and would make a great President...

 

Not really. It didn't say,"69% of those insured." It said,"solid majorities of Americans rate the coverage (69%) and quality (80%) of the healthcare they personally receive as "excellent" or "good."

If you aren't recieving any care I'll assume you are in the 31% and 20% that didn't rate it as "good" or better.

The fact is that overall, we have care and overall, are satisfied with that care. It's just another problem that rates as a 3 and is blown out of proportion by the Democrats and their lapdogs in the media. And this survey proves it.

 

You're the pot calling the kettle black. All the stuff you come in here to say about the Democrats is actually a perfect description of Republicans.

 

I disagree on lack of unity- aside from Castro, they all played nice with each other - from crediting Beto to focusing on Trump as the primary threat- they all agreed on that. They also pretty much all agreed on guns. And they all kissed the proverbial ring by showing deference to Obama instead of attacking him like in previous debates.

Messaging- No one blew messaging worse than Biden last night. He tripped over words in every single answer. Bernie’s message is pretty clear. Warren literally took every question, reframed the issue and boiled down what the problem is and what she would do to fix it. So her message was also clear.

It gets muddled when you look at these plans like Pete’s “Medicare for all- who want it” which sounds like Kamala’s which sounds like Amy’s which sounds like Biden’s. That mess there is the main problem. Warren clearly says she’s with Bernie and spells out the plan as does he. The others are trying to say “my plan is the best” and draw a line between the others. And that’s where they fail.

 

Got examples?

 

Your entire posting history?

 

People who really like verbally and physically abusing their employees but think Trump keeps saying the quiet part too loudly.

 

Apparently Seth McFarlane likes Klobuchar I don't quite get why he likes her he seems pretty cool he is a progressive Liberal like me...

 

Oops.


Aside from that, I think Gabbard still has my vote.

 

Ew

 

This sequence neatly encapsulates everything wrong with Biden. He is asked to explain his opinion regarding the civic responsibility of all Americans to repair the social damage of slavery and how he’s evolved on the issue. Utterly unaware of how the discourse around racism has changed in recent decades, he throws out a couple decontextualized phrases, - segregation, red lining - before realizing he doesn’t understand the question and then dives into a rant on education.

His education theory is the iconic dead end rhetoric of a lifelong Washington creature; he believes throwing money at the complaining parties will make them shut up. Yes, giving teachers raises is necessary but investing in education does little to alleviate poverty and institutional racism when labor protections and public commons have been decimated over the last 40 years, disproportionately impacting people of color. But then he shows his *true* opinion on the matter: the problem is that African Americans are not appropriately socialized to raise their own kids, and must be taught how to do so by liberal institutions. He might as well be a Republican. The record player comment is incomprehensible to me, I can’t tell if he meant to say that kids should be consuming electronic media more or less, although his words seem to suggest the former.

Then, as the moderator tries to shut him down he goes back to his only comfortable shtick, “I’m a tough guy, I’m tougher than Trump. South American dictators are scared of me.” This guy has no ideas. He won’t energize the Democrat base and Trump will turn him into a laughing stock on the debate stage. It’s baffling to me that mainstream pundits are still trying to defend him, but my best guess is that it’s out of fear. They fear a Warren or Bernie candidacy and think that Biden’s adjacency to Obama will somehow get people to vote for him, as if 2016 hadn’t already dissolved that fantasy.

 

Agreed. I think Castro took the hit so others didn’t have to. He’s not likely to move past 1% so his options were to try this and get a boost or fail and help others.

I do think Sanders’ loss of voice last night could have hurt him- if he was Elizabeth Warren. It was literally 4 years ago that Hillary had her walking pneumonia and people lost their minds over her health. Here’s Joe not putting a coherent sentence together once for the entire night and there is Bernie looking old and losing his voice. Not a great optic. Thankfully, Bernie is not a woman and neither is Joe. But I guarantee if Warren tripped up like Joe or sounded like Bernie, we’d be inundated with articles about her health.