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The Rise of Skywalker Discussion Thread **UNTAGGED SPOILERS WITHIN**

Discussion in 'Fan Fiction and Writing Resource' started by mavjade , Dec 16, 2019.

  1. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    @Princess_Tina Ah, apologies. I mis-interpreted your statement to mean there were no shields in atmospheres within the GFFA.

    Separately though, your contention of there being no reason to install shields capable of operating within atmosphere; on vessels crowded within close proximity to each other, clearly have a lot more trust in attitude controls - to hold the vessels in place - than I do.

    Of the top of my head, I could think of ways to **** up that whole fleet with a relatively isolated incident.

    • Meteor or asteroid strike, attracted by the planet's gravity, such as the one investigated by Luke(?) before the Battle of Hoth.
    • Hammer-class cruiser, as in the Battle of Scarif.
    • Practically any heavy weather events.
    • Accidental collision
    • Deliberate collision
    • Ship explosion causing collateral damage to neighbouring vessels
    • I understand these SDs came up from under the earth? I would be reluctant to try that without shields
    • Palpatine getting a bit enthusiastic with his Force powers.
    • Helm control, or lack off.
    • Friendly fire, turbolaser, ion cannon, superlaser
    • How do you make sure the guns work without testing any of them
    • Solar flare. Only applicable if there is a sun nearby
    I've seen myself attempt to pilot a starship within tight spaces, eg. Elite, and Colony Wars.
    Newsflash. I'm not good at it. Give me shields every time.

    Then again, if I was the Emperor, and surrounded my lair with thousands of heavily armed vessels, and there were minimal downsides to offing (killing) me, I probably wouldn't give them shields either.
     
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  2. Mistress_Renata

    Mistress_Renata Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Vaguely remembering that deflector shields are meant to deflect particles, not rays. And they are not meant to deflect large objects, just small bits of dust/space debris, which is why the Star Destroyers couldn't enter the asteroid field when chasing Han off Hoth, or prevent the crash of a starfighter in RotJ. They would have been okay in a hailstorm (actually, they'd probably just move to upper atmosphere above the storm), but a meteor strike would be a problem (though they could just move to the far side of the planet out of the path of the meteors). Kamikaze attacks by starfighters could be a problem, but it would depend on the size of the starfighter. Possibly not big enough to do serious damage, unless there are multiples.
     
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  3. Kurisan

    Kurisan Jedi Master star 4

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    gg
     
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  4. Fifi Kenobi

    Fifi Kenobi Jedi Master star 4

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  5. Carlos Danger

    Carlos Danger Jedi Master star 2

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  6. Jedi_Lover

    Jedi_Lover Chosen One star 5

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    I was going to see it today since I have a day off, but we are expecting 8 inches of snow and the closest theater is an hour drive from my house. [face_dunno]
     
  7. LAJ_FETT

    LAJ_FETT Tech Admin (2007-2023) - She Held Us Together star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Ouch. I think it will probably be around for awhile yet.
     
  8. Jedi_Lover

    Jedi_Lover Chosen One star 5

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    I'll probably see it after the New Year, weather permitting.
     
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  9. LAJ_FETT

    LAJ_FETT Tech Admin (2007-2023) - She Held Us Together star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I've seen it twice (2D and 3D). I might try for a third showing once the kids are back in school (Jan 6). Cinema will be less crowded.
     
  10. Fifi Kenobi

    Fifi Kenobi Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm thinking tomorrow will be my second viewing. As long as there are tickets available. Popcorn on New Year's day!
     
  11. Mistress_Renata

    Mistress_Renata Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Not worth braving a blizzard for! I will see it again when I get home from holiday visiting, but I wouldn't go through bad weather. Be save & hunker down, @Jedi_Lover! :)
     
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  12. Jedi_Lover

    Jedi_Lover Chosen One star 5

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    Okay, I saw it. I was surprised that I liked it. That is probably because I now believe Luke is alive and well. Why? Because it is possible to transport matter through the Force if you have some Force bonding. Therefore at the end of TLJ Luke transported himself to Mara's bed. Prove me wrong! Oh, you say, "We saw Force Ghost Luke in ROS." No, you saw Force projection Luke.

    Oh yeah...you know how Palpatine said he controlled Snoke and was the voice in Kylo's head...I am convinced that Ben was getting those disturbing darkside images from Palpatine. When Luke walked in on Ben at the Academy, Palpatine for a split second took control of Luke making him pull his lightsaber on Ben. This was all in an effort to bring Ben to the darkside. Luke would never try to kill his nephew. That is my take on that.

    Luke said he knew Rey was a Palpatine. He obviously didn't want to train her because he worried about any of her darkside tendencies. Therefore he did everything in his power to make her go away and that is why we have that gross milk scene. That is the only time Luke ever did that in his life and it was done solely to gross out Rey and get rid of her.

    So why did Luke leave his sister to train Rey? Well, after he transported himself to be with Mara those two got to work at building up a fleet that could take on Palpatine. That is why Lando was able to get a zillion ships in a day or so.:p

    That is my new head canon.

    Seriously, ROS was about a billion times better than TLJ. I had to suspend my disbelief a few times...like how an X-wing could fly after being submerged underwater for so long. I guess Luke might have had a huge vat of uncooked rice that he placed the ship in to dry it out.

    Or that the automatic doors on the Death Star still worked after thirty years.

    I liked seeing Lando, but his last words with that young female former stormtrooper were a little creepy. I sure hope he wasn't hitting on her. lol!

    The kiss was a little cringy, but I guess if somebody brought me back from the dead I might kiss them. I liked seeing Han even if he is just a memory. I really liked seeing young Luke.

    Overall, this felt like a Star Wars movie to me. The other two ST movies left me feeling...nothing. This last movie did spark some emotions. Seeing Chewie inconsolable at Leia's death was sad. I'm glad we got to see that. In TLJ we didn't see Luke or Leia grieve over the loss of Han. I am still irritated that the big four never were all together. Luke saw Chewie and that was it.

    I think ROS is the best of the ST.
     
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  13. Cowgirl Jedi 1701

    Cowgirl Jedi 1701 Force Ghost star 5

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    Just saw it, and I say it's full of win.
     
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  14. Jedi_Lover

    Jedi_Lover Chosen One star 5

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    I know it is a little vindictive of me to say this, but I really like ROS because the people who have been trolling me on other websites for not liking TLJ are now losing their minds and I think it is a bit of Karma. I in no way condone any trolling of the actors, but for the longest time anybody that didn't like TLJ were clumped together with evil trolls. So I have been called a racist, sexist manbaby that just didn't like TLJ because it didn't conform to my own fan theory. I have been told, "It is just a movie! Get over it!" But now the people who have been irritated with people like me are now upset because ROS didn't conform to their own fan theory. And once again it is MY fault because Disney kowtowed to me...THE HATER! It just goes to show that EVERYBODY had their own head canon as to what happened to Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie after ROTJ. And everybody had different hopes for the new cast. We were all invested in this story that spanned 42 years and when we as fans think the story went the wrong way...we do get upset. Whether you loved the ST, or hated how Luke turned out or didn't like how the Reylo story arc ended up...we were all invested in the story. Sure, it is just a movie to some people, but I would ask anybody who has gone to Celebration if they feel SW is just a movie. It is a way of life for a lot of people and there is nothing wrong with that. For some reason people think it is okay to make fun of certain fandoms such as SW or Star Trek, but how is it different from a person painting themselves green and yellow and putting a foam wedge of cheese on their head for a football game? Nobody sees that as odd. Those people are true football fans! And when their team loses the Superbowl you better not say, "It's just a game."

    I also don't think the SW fanbase is toxic. We are allowed to disagree with each other. We are like a family and have you ever seen families get together at Thanksgiving dinner? You love your family but they are a mixed lot...and sometimes the conversation gets a little heated around the dinner table...but you are still a family.

    Happy New year everybody. I hope 2020 brings us a lot of new SW movies and books...along with the second season of The Mandalorian. [face_party]
     
  15. brodiew

    brodiew Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Well said, @Jedi_Lover. I would be interested in which alternate universe had people trolling in favor of TLJ. All the press I heard was TLJ haters. ST haters. [face_waiting] [face_nail_biting] :-B [face_thinking] ;)
     
  16. Lady_Misty

    Lady_Misty Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I personally liked TLJ but I see why people didn’t and it just reinforces the whole idea that all of this crap could have been completely avoided if the Jedi Order believed in therapy and worked on helping Anakin adjust in a positive manner or gently turned him away due to concerns over him adjusting to the Jedi Way.

    I mean the whole thing compounds on family tragedy and unhealed/unresolved emotional trauma that keeps going unhealed and unresolved are they keep hurting each other because they have never healed from earlier trauma and they chose not to see a professional about it because of fear or not realizing/admitting that they couldn’t handle it by themselves. :(


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  17. RDeckard

    RDeckard Jedi Knight star 1

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    When I watch TLJ, I love it. The thing is, I don't think the trilogy was planned well enough, so there is just a ton of oddities across the trilogy. I think Rian Johnson was clearly the right guy to direct, but I think most of TFA wasn't necessary.

    I would have
    • Dumped Starkiller Base entirely
    • Included Rey getting off Jakku and Finn escaping the FO, but the rest would be gone
    • Removed the whole TLJ casino stuff.
    • Focused more on Rey being trained and the history of Kylo Ren killing Luke's students
    • Removed most of the scavenger hunt from TRoS.
    • Removed both faux emotional moments in TRoS (by either keeping Chewbacca dead and erasing C3PO permanently or just not including those things at all)
     
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  18. Thena

    Thena Chosen One star 7

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    And yet your post also mentioned the trolling of the actors after TLJ... So you don't think that reflects that there is a toxic subgroup within the fanbase? [face_thinking]
     
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  19. Jedi_Lover

    Jedi_Lover Chosen One star 5

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    I don't think they represent the fans. I said trolls have bothered the actors. There are people out there that troll people for the fun of it. They may have never even seen a Star Wars movie. You shouldn't blame an entire group of people for the illegal or rude behavior of a few people. Star Wars fans are not toxic. The press and "internet content makers" like to cause controversy. What I didn't like is people believing that we are toxic. If I say I didn't like the plot of the ST I shouldn't be lumped In with some psychopath that threatened JJ Abrams because he killed Kylo. There are crazy peop!e everywhere. They don't represent the millions and millions of Star Wars fans.

    Let me give you an example. I posted on a SW website that Disney sent TROS overseas to our troops to see before the opening date. I thought that was nice. One person responded that he hoped all the military guys died. They are fighting for oil and are evil. My thought was this guy is nuts. I didn't think, "Star Wars fans are toxic and hate the military." I didn't believe he represented the Star Wars fandom.
     
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  20. Mando247

    Mando247 Jedi Youngling

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    Ive just watched it and i think it was all over the place, If it had of been set up better from the TLJ then it wouldn't have felt like it was a sequel to a movie i hadn't seen yet.

    It looks like JJ agrees as well if this article is genuine
     
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  21. Thena

    Thena Chosen One star 7

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    But I have NEVER blamed the entire fan base for the actions of the few toxic people out there.
    Do not tell me I shouldn't do something that I have never done... go back and reread my posts I believe I phrased things very, very carefully.
    Now, if you don't believe that there are bad apples everywhere, someone on these very forums just a couple of days ago threatened "jokingly" that he wanted to shoot me with a gun. He has been very obsessed with me because I have a positive opinion of some SW movies he doesn't like. A mod had to step in and edit the thing he posted. And that's right here on the JCF. There's even worse stuff elsewhere.
     
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  22. Carlos Danger

    Carlos Danger Jedi Master star 2

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    Sorry that that happened.
     
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  23. Thena

    Thena Chosen One star 7

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    Thank you. :)
     
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  24. Jedi_Lover

    Jedi_Lover Chosen One star 5

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    Yeah I didn’t phrase that as carefully as I should have. My apologies. I didn’t mean you personally but ‘you’ as in people or ‘you all’.
     
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  25. jcgoble3

    jcgoble3 Chosen One star 6

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    I like all nine saga films. Some more or less than others, but all to some extent. There isn't a single one of the nine that I hate or dislike. Some specific elements of them that I dislike (the TLJ casino scene among them), but I still like the film as a whole despite that. I can either choose to get bitter and complain about them and make myself feel worse in the process, or I can choose to enjoy them and have fun. It is, after all, a choice, and I choose to have fun. :)
     
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