ST How TROS Recontextualizes The Sith

And since Vader was destroyed by Anakin there was no Sith host body. Therefore, Sidious should have been destroyed too.

 

Just my opinion but I will quote Count Dooku from the original clone wars animated series. “You are not Sith” whatever they hell was in this movie was not Sith they may have been called Sith or Sith Cultista etc. They definitely aren’t the ones from the PT or OT. They are just fan fiction at this point.

 

Good to know. Evidently Ian feels differently.

 

Ian’s an Actor when it comes to what the Sith are etc the only real voice of authority is GL. New films can and will change them over time if they so chose to the detriment of World Building and consistency IMO. We got TROS in IX that throws so much Sith stuff at us after VII and VII were like no Sith they are gone it’s now just a jumbled mess.

 

But if the master’s essence is transferred, then it doesn’t matter how wise, powerful, or skilled the victorious apprentice is. Yes, it would be best to always have the most powerful one as the successor, but when they’re imbued with all the power of the Sith before them, what difference does it make? Beyond that, better to have a mediocre successor than none at all. Beyond that, if struck down by a less than ideal apprentice, said apprentice can just be struck down by a more suitable one at any point after. 30 years or 30 seconds later.

The ritual itself, if its just an occasional thing, something very difficult, that only the most powerful/desperate Sith can do, works. But if it involves “all the Sith” it doesn’t even remotely fit.

 

Is the apprentice imbued with all the power of Sith or just all the knowledge of the Sith? The apprentice has to supply the power themselves???

 

That Sith agent had the best looking gold car I've ever seen.

 

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Yeah. And Ian has respect enough for George that he wouldn't have agreed to do it if he'd felt it was pooping all over the Big Man's parade.

 

That's an assumption that your making and has no basis in fact.

 

I honestly don’t know. That said, it doesn’t matter. If the apprentice has all their knowledge but only mediocre innate abilities, they just stick around more powerful Sith and insult their mother until the more powerful Sith kills them in anger. Bam, now they’ve possessed that more powerful Sith.

Which, again, proves that having a large number of Sith around is a net gain, when you have this ability. The Sith are no longer a threat to themselves.

 

If the Sith Lord is that weak how are they going to deal with Jedi and other potential enemies that might actually destroy them?

And if this is the time when the Sith are hidden, could someone that weak conceal their presense in the Force from the Jedi?

 

Ah, okay. I guess the fact is more likely Ian's just like "**** that George guy! I'm up for anything so long as I get paid".

#2019.

 

If there are plenty of other Sith, why would this individual ever put themselves in a situation where the Jedi are likely to kill them?

 

Yoda got the drop on Palpatine in RotS and snuck into his office. Jedi are a formidable foe. And why would the other Sith protect another Sith that is too weak to defend themself from a Jedi?

 

Thats not really comparable. Palpatine was executing his master plan at that point and had revealed his identity to the Jedi to goad them into attacking him.

And why would the other Sith need to protect this one? The whole point is to get one of them to kill this particular one. You’re not addressing that, you’re treating the situation as though they’re just mixing and mingling with Jedi on Coruscant or something, rather than hiding away on Korriban or some other Sith world.

This isn’t that complicated: the Sith Lord in question transfers their essence, decides they don’t like their new host, and goes over and attacks one of the other Sith nearby and throws the fight. This is something that would take a few minutes.

 

Why would a weak Sith have been the Sith Master to begin with? Why would generations of Sith spirts waste their time?

 

Most actors are and most people are. Also do you think George would tell him not to take the job if Disney offered him some serious cash. George have been pissed at him coming back but why deny your friend work. You are making a lot of assumptions we have no idea what happened between Ian and George and how he feels about how GL feels about the Sith in TLJ. I am not assuming anything i am just saying that a guy taking a roll doesn’t mean jack.

 

You do you, man.

 

That doesn’t address the scenario. Darth Chiznuk proposed a group of Sith ganging up on the master in question, and a weak Sith striking the killing blow.

Of course, this presupposes they’d have weak Sith.

 

I've bolded the less compelling argument, for self evident reasons. The Disney Canon has been quite liberal with how much they deviate from the Old Canon. We can't argue based on the Old Canon, since this is a discussion of how the Disney Canon recontextualizes the Sith.

None of this addresses the core problem: in what way is the old way of doing things, with many active Sith, more dangerous for the Sith as a whole, than Bane's new way, when the idea of transferring essence is taken into account as a practice standard enough that Palpatine could claim to be 'all the Sith' generations later? Each scenario presented is just as dangerous to the Sith when there are only two as when there are many.

 

Personally i ain't sure what TROS said about the sith.

 

What spirit? The Sith can't maintain a connection to the Living Force once they die. In fact I'm pretty sure their essence is completely destroyed and don't even become part of the Cosmic Force. This is why they're obsessed with cheating death. The Jedi know that, at a minimum, they'll become one with the Force as most ordinary life does and in a few special cases, with training and dedication to selflessness, they can maintain their connection to the Living Force, hence Force Ghosts. It's their reward for being committed to the Light.

Palpatine's return not only completely undermines Anakin's final act of redemption and the completion of the prophecy, it completely destroys any notion that the Dark Side isn't stronger than the Light because now we have a situation where the best of the Jedi can return as ghosts but the best of the Sith can return as actual living beings.

It's utterly ridiculous.