PT Why does sidious call him Vader?

Is it because he’s an invader like he’s insidious?

Any ideas always wondered this but presumed it was because he was invading the temple for the sith.

 

In-universe answer: Anybody's guess how the Sith dole out their names. It represents a losing/killing of your former self and succumbing to a new identity.

Out-of-Universe answer: It sounds evil and that's pretty much how bad guys are named in SW.

 

Origin of "Vader" in a nutshell: https://www.forcematerial.com/home/2016/12/01/the-origin-of-darth-vader-the-name

 

OOU-it was setting up the OT.

IU-Sith names, seem to come via communion with the dark side of the force. Vader happened to be the name Sidious gained from his meditations within the dark side of the force.

 

I think this is a good theory. Whatever their characteristics are, just remove the "in-" prefix to get their Sith name.

Future Star Wars movies to feature Darth Visible, Darth Sufferable and Darth Continent.

 

Darth Continent is a great shout.

 

At least they’re not incontinent.

Right, the myth of ‘Dark Father’ in Dutch being ‘Darth Vader’. Hmmm. Dark Water.

 

Because... THE FORCE DID IT!!!

Sorry, I'll let myself out.

 

I like the simplicity of this idea, actually. 'Darth Vader' does have a better ring to it than the other possibility 'Darth Traitor'.[/QUOTE]

 

Makes you wonder if Sidious had the name up for sleeve for a while, or thought it up on the spot. I’ve always felt as if the Dark Side ‘told’ him the name in the moment.

 

That's interesting. I can see it both ways.

 

I've always interpreted the scene of him naming Vader as reaching into the Force, or something, especially with the weirdass moaning noises he was making and the echo effect on his voice being some indication of that. And with the potential interpretation from TROS of how Rule of Two actually works being some kind of spirit transfer type thing, I can't help laughing at the idea of dozens of Sith inside Palpatine's mind debating over what to call the next Sith Lord

"Vader! Go with Vader!"
"No, that's lame, he's more like a Darth Malevolus!"
"**** off, call him Darth Icky"
"Oh my Sith, just shut up, all of you, I'm going with that first one"
(Collective disappointed sighs and one tiny "yay!")

 

He was driven to the dark side because he was becoming a father. In the ROTS moment that he vowed loyalty to Sidious, Anakin said he was doing it to save Padme, the mother of his children, from death in childbirth, and Sidious names him Darth Vader. His whole character arc in OT revolves around his children and his son redeeming him. I know there's deeper readings and other contributing factors behind the scenes to the name, but given the final results, I think that ultimately the father-origin rings truest. I guess we just have to cope with the fact that this implies an in-universe existence of proto-German and, by extension, like Latin.

 

Yes! I agree that it was invader "Vader" and insidious "Sidious". Maybe it's not such a coincidence that you add "in" to both. In is the new meaning of sith. Ya, they're super popular now. Sith are in! *pun intended*

 

he calls him vader because they like to say that anakin skywalker is dead and no more, and vader is reborn a new person he is not anakin he is somebody else fueled with anger and hatred. in the comics it shows obi wan kenobi cutting down anakin into the lava, then vader walking out of the lava reborn.

 

I can't find a source for my statement (maybe it was Lucas during the the official commentary of the scene?), but this should be close to the official answer. I remember something about Sidious questioning the Force and from it obtaining the inspiration for the new identity to assign to the disciple.

This is actually not so different from the Jedi listening to the will of the Force believing that they have to do something rather than another (think to Qui Gon, getting interest toward Anakin since before the blood exam).

One of the things that I love of ROTS is that in more situations depict the Sith and the Jedi pretty similar between them, just to faces of the same coin (in parallel with the doubts of Anakin/Vader about not being more able to clearly see the difference between the two orders at the end of the movie).

 

Sure, it makes perfect sense that Sidious would give his new apprentice a new name. But the original question as I understand it is why "Vader". Well, why NOT Vader? For all we know the word may be an ancient Sith word with a special significance that only the Sith would understand. I'm sure he didn't just make the name up right after Windu was killed. He must have had the name in mind long before that. Again, the Sith are pretty much kept a mystery throughout the saga. So it's difficult to tell why they do certain things or choose certain names. I doubt we will ever get a definitive answer.
By the way, did anyone know there is an actual town in WA state named Vader? I found that today on Google maps by accident. I wonder where that came from? Had Lucas maybe been there and liked the name? Interesting coincidence though. I wonder if they have an unusual high percentage of SW fans there, or maybe even a statue of SW Vader. According to Wiki it was named after a resident whose actual family name was "Vader".
Then I found this picture:



Supposedly it actually exists on the town's cathedral. I had never imagined a church would decorate their buildings with a fictional villain! Really strange....

 

i know about dark father, but i always relate to it as "invader' .
and the scene of Anakin kneeling and getting a new name is kind a devil's version of biblical renamings.

 

In Universe:

Invader is Vader
Insidious is Sidious
tyrant is Tyranus
plague is Plagueis



The more meaningful answer is Vader comes from the German Vater which comes from the Larin Pater which is Father.

 

Good question, and I like the idea behind in-Vader and in-Sidious.

I interpret that scene in that way too. There’s a moment where he pauses after ‘you shall be known as...’ and looks away from Anakin for a moment as if he’s thinking or hearing something, then he delivers the line ‘Vader’ as if he’s thought ‘yes, of course that’s a great name for him’.

 

No, no, that’s actually the most likely answer. Consider that he was doing the weird moans and heavy breathing, then a pause just before he says the name.

That may have been him tapping into the Dark Side.

 

Well yeah, we seem to talk a lot about the Force, the "will" of the Force, the dark side or whatever. But does it actually have a consciousness that can put words into people's heads? I personally doubt it. Kenobi describes it as an "energy field". In none of the Lucas movies anyone says that the Force also has intelligence, will or consciousness. At least not that I know of.

 

It was actually an alternative name for ''dark father'' in the original trilogy. Since he was the dark father of Luke. And the saga is about the family.

Invader is not special as all the Sith lords are actually invading somewhere in a galaxy far far away.

 

The problem is that he was named Darth Vader even before ANH was made. At that point Lucas had no plan to make him Luke's father. That idea came later.

 

Sidious petitioned the dark forces for a name and Vader was the response.