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Discussion Should Episode Numbering Continue For This New Saga?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Future Films - Spoilers Allowed' started by Darth Chiznuk , Apr 15, 2019.

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Should the new Saga have Episode numbers?

  1. Yes, of course

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  2. No, you idiot

    70.8%
  1. Ghost Ryder

    Ghost Ryder Jedi Master star 4

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    As a few others said, I would replace Star Wars in the title, e.g. Knights of the Old Republic, then have a subtitle, and Star Wars can still be used in the marketing/promotion.

    Beyond that, I guess I would hope there's still a lot of stylistic blending; there are times watching the films when I think, "What other franchise has this?" The crawl, for instance, is a big part of the old-school vibe, but I also really like the openings for Rogue One and Solo. And there's such a variety of elements in the GFFA that there might as well be a range of styles, too. I think keeping the music Williams-esque would be good connective tissue, though that may be limiting in a way. I don't know; I just want these films to continue to stand out.
     
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  2. Ubraniff Zalkaz

    Ubraniff Zalkaz Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It’s hard to say. I think keeping it simple is better, so maybe lose the crawl and episode numbers. Maybe call each film Star Wars: (title of film). Have each film start out like Rogue One with the “a long time ago....”
     
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  3. Ricardo Funes

    Ricardo Funes Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The opening crawl is a sign of a main saga film. I think I would still want it on the new main film series.
     
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  4. ladygrey45

    ladygrey45 Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah keep the crawl like it would Star Wars whatever series it is episode 1 to give it that star wars feel you know.
     
  5. jaimestarr

    jaimestarr Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yes! In fact, I think it's silly/confusing that the anthology films didn't not have a crawl. Solo especially. They just didn't use a crawl, but they did use captions to introduce the plot. Why? As someone said, this is like a Bond movie not having the gun barrel.

    The movies should be- Star Wars: Rogue One and Star Wars: Solo. That way they sit nicely on the shelf. Ultimately, I think calling films "A Star Wars Story" has hurt them. It signals that these films are "less than" and oddly shies away from the most popular name brand in cinema.
     
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  6. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    No. It’s time to let the number system die
     
  7. ewoksimon

    ewoksimon Chosen One star 5

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    Seems like it'll be a firm no, but this High Republic series might fall under the same title umbrella. Could be tricky to manage, of course, but establishing another numerical system would be potentially confusing and ultimately exhausting.
     
  8. Jedsithor

    Jedsithor Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I'm working on an opening crawl video idea and I'll post it when it's done (probably some time tomorrow). It's essentially one for a KOTOR series that keeps the episodic numbering and subtitles but replaces the Star Wars logo with the KOTOR one so hopefully that will give people an idea of how a new saga might look. I am using the Star Wars Main Title theme rather than the KOTOR theme for this particular video though there's certainly an argument to be made that a new saga should have a new main theme.

    I do think one-offs shouldn't have a crawl but if you're making a series of films, a saga, then it should follow the same general pattern for the opening.
     
  9. The Regular Mustache

    The Regular Mustache Force Ghost star 6

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    Not only should they retire the numbering they should also retire the John Williams main score and the Star Wars logo and opening crawl. It's starting to feel like a civil war reenactment.
     
  10. EHT

    EHT Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    If any future SW movies include numbering of any kind, I will throw my popcorn at the screen. And probably my drink too.

    "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" should remain, though.
     
  11. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 7

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    This. I do think that the opening crawls are very at odds with the style of the ST films. You have this super-old school relic of a beginning, and then the film immediately jumps into this madly modern fast-paced insanity, and it just doesn't work. It really does feel like fans re-enacting Star Wars, for that reason. For titles, music, etc, just use what fits the type and style of story you're telling. Stop hanging new stuff on old racks. Either make it old school, or don't. This in-between thing is why the ST reminds me of the suburb I grew up in. A limbo place with a confused identity that sort of becomes a non-identity. A "geography of nowhere" to get pretentiously academic about it. Like @EHT, the only thing I think should remain constant is "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away."
     
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  12. Ubraniff Zalkaz

    Ubraniff Zalkaz Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think that's all they need.
     
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  13. yodasoda2187

    yodasoda2187 Jedi Grand Master star 1

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    Probably no numbers, but definitely "a long time ago..." and probably the crawl. When "Rogue One" appears in the ugliest font imaginable with music half-reminiscent of John Williams but decidedly not, it is the most awkward thing. Even after repeated viewings it still bothers me.
     
  14. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 7

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    Hardly "the most awkward thing." It was just a no-nonsense, practical font, which fit the grungy style of the film pretty well. I never understood the vitriol hurled at it.
     
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  15. EHT

    EHT Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'm fine with Episode numbers and opening crawls in front of the ST films... they're part of the Skywalker Saga, so they should be there. Outside of that, though, and moving forward, I don't think they should be there anymore.
     
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  16. Jedsithor

    Jedsithor Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    As promised, here's an opening crawl video I put together for the first film of a KOTOR saga. I used the Star Wars Main Title theme for the crawl though a brand new theme for a new saga might be fitting. I may try doing one in the future with the KOTOR theme from the games and see how that works.

    As I've said previously, I think the format should absolutely be maintained for multi-film epic sagas like the Skywalker Saga with one off films like Rogue One only keeping "A long time ago..." which should start every Star Wars film.



    For those who are wondering, the content off the crawl I wrote isn't meant to be an adaptation of the game. I'm using the KOTOR title and a few elements much in the same way I think Disney will if and when they get around to doing a version of KOTOR. I think they'll use the name and I actually think they'll make Darth Revan the first Sith Lord.
     
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  17. themoth

    themoth Force Ghost star 5

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    Agreed.
     
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  18. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 7

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    I get that. But despite being part of the saga, the crawls just don’t fit the style of the ST films, in my view. They feel tacked on.
     
  19. Ricardo Funes

    Ricardo Funes Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Star Wars must have logarithmic episode numbers. I have spoken. This is the way.

    New Prequel Trilogy - Base 10

    Episode 0
    Episode 0.301030
    Episode 0.477121

    New Classic Trilogy - Base 2

    Episode 2
    Episode 2.321928
    Episode 2.584963

    New Sequel Trilogy - Base e

    Episode 1.945910
    Episode 2.079442
    Episode 2.197225

    Which is great as one can decide on which order to watch. Do you watch basd on release sequence, or numeric sequence? A debate for the ages.
     
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  20. Vinylshadow

    Vinylshadow Jedi Master star 3

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    Technically speaking, episode X could be the start of a new saga, because XI, XII, XIII as followups work just like episodes I, II, III, except now they have an X in front of them

    Then we reach Episode XXX and people get really confused/concerned because they're not sure if they've bought the right movie... or if it's someone's How To Make Moonshine video

    ...where did you think I was going with that? For shame.
     
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  21. Darth Buzz

    Darth Buzz Jedi Master star 4

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    No numbers.

    Also make a new crawl system, similar to what they did with SOLO.

    The numbers and original crawl should be exclusive to the Skywalker saga.
     
  22. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Shelf of Shame Host star 9 VIP - Game Host

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    It should be random digits of pi instead
     
  23. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Force Ghost star 7

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    Just do high republic episode 1.
     
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  24. zackm

    zackm Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Random digits of pi are just random digits.
     
  25. I Are The Internets

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    YOU'RE A RANDOM DIGIT :_|