Discussions Official Disney/EU discussion thread.

2012 (pre-Disney) was a great time to be an EU fan. The Plagueis novel was released, Dawn of the Jedi was released, Maul returned in TCW, and Fate of the Jedi wrapped up.

 

2012 was already dubbed a SW Renaissance. And don't forget Phantom Menace 3D in the theaters. Release date was apparently Feb 10, 2012.

And...let me add that release date coincided with the release of the Dawn of the Jedi #0 and #1, both in February 2012.

 

I swear to Bogan if they make leia a disney princess....

 

I wanted to find out what happened after darh Krayt was killed. Or if the Mngal Mngal cntrolled the galaxy

 

Legacy II is really the only place to go. It's really worth the read.

 

I knw disney has kinda ruined star wars and turned it into a series of child friendly movies, but I love Doctor Aphra

 

I think they already have. Sorry

 

Just to be clear, the original EU probably wasn't Lucas' intention simply because he didn't read the books. He came up with a few ideas here and there, but the ideas were primarily those of the authors at Lucasfilm/LucasArts. That said, people generally don't like the new Disney EU amongst older fans because they have a tendency to depower and de-legitimatize the stories of Luke and Leia. In contrast, they have a tendency to make Vader more powerful than he was in the films and the original EU. While this psychologically adheres to the prequels in a way, it does so at the expense of other characters. Older fans prefer the flawed original EU because it respected Leia and Luke's personalties more than the Sequel Trilogy or Disney EU does.

Of course, if we talk about heteronormative issues, the EU has a number of problems. The fact that there are only two genders and two orientations portrayed is one about which that fans have long complained, and justifiably so. The new Sequel Trilogy shows a hero co-opting the methods of her abuser, and this is why troubled youth and incels have a tendency to like it. The denialism enforces the absurd notion that there are only two genders and two orientations. Originally, in 2015, I was supportive of the notion of a Disney canon and an older Lucas canon co-existing. However, that opinion changed due to the Last Jedi and the Rise of Skywalker's violent heteronormativity and heteropatriarchy. Having said that, it should be noted that neither Kathleen Kennedy nor the directors (Abrams and Johnson) sought to push that agenda. But that's what the masses have chosen to do, however. In a country where ethnic minorities, non-binary people, and gender minorities have faced increased assaults and violence since 2017, these Star Wars films did not help the issue. However, the television series and books stayed safe, and they were more inoffensive. So, I'm not going to attack the Disney canon's EU TV or book series, since they, for the most part, were not enforcing that incel-esque violence and manipulation that we saw in the films.

Of course, that's one reason why I support the notion that Darth Zannah could use her spells to outwit General Grievous if timelines were crossed. That's one reason why I believe that Mara Jade could use her wits defeat Darth Malgus. I think we tend to forget how many characters were able to overcome the dogmatic and constrictive approaches of both Jedi and Sith. Darth Malgus, for example, is widely admired for being one of the few Sith who believed in the Force as opposed to the dogmas of his Order. But people tend to forget how brutal, condescending, and narcissistic he was. Mara Jade may not have been as physically powerful as Malgus, but she could have used her agility, speed, and wiliness to outwit him. At any rate, that's why I prefer the old EU. I take some lessons here and there in the new Disney canon I like, and I refuse to write it off entirely.

 

I read the Expanded Universe to have all types of diversity. A difference we can make a big deal about is perhaps only a small difference in the SW EU. I like seeing a fictional universe where human beings are not put under suspicion for being different than the norm. The protagonists realize that their differences are small. The real difference is the imperialist agenda that seeks to destroy worlds, enslave systems, and subjugate populations.

 

I agree. I like that, as well. But I feel sorry for how the near-humans and other aliens are treated and typecast according to biology in those stories.

 

Okay. Those YouTubers need to tell me about that, so I'll read them. When it's filled with 50 or hundreds of genders, I'll be satisfied. Then it will be like real life.

 

We could use many more LGBTQ characters in the SW universe

 

Ooooh this is actually the perfect place to bring up this question I've had.

So since the EU of Legends is essentially 3 different era's of Star Wars in the 70's 80's 90's and Early to Mid 2000's

I wonder how Legends would have accommodated the cultural changes of the 2010's if everything had happened in the real world remained the same. Or if the Continuity/Lore baggage would have hindered it and that Lore Reboot allowed for Star Wars to be a bit more relevant with the Era of the 2010's...Just a thought.

 

Delilah Blue is a good character. She initially seemed selfish, but she has more depth to her than people give her credit. She was one of the better influences in Cade's life.

 

That's what I meant. Talon is damaged because of what Krayt did to her. Blue is more interested in Cade's welfare and past, whereas Krayt directed his thralls to exploit it.

 

It's interesting outside of books and comics the New Jedi Order era never penetrated Video games. Like even Bantam Era got a few video games with Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy

Dark Empire got a mission in Rogue Squadron

 

The cynic in me wonders if they just didn't feel the Vong were marketable enough as villains to the general public. By comparison most villains before and after were somehow tied to the films. I'm not old enough to remember the NJO years, but Legacy had a lot of marketing (it was going to get a video game before the Disney purchase). Did the NJO have that same level of marketing? I kind of get the impression that LFL just didn't really try to make the Vong a thing.

 

It did at the beginning

 

This tweet is making the rounds

 

So now he at least finally admits having zero respect for Legends.
I mean we already kinda knew that since TCW which blatantly ignored legends from day one(as in the EU Anakin only even becomes a Jedi Knight two years into the war, while TCW clearly states the pilot movie being set at the beginning of it). What I dislike about this is that Legends went out of its way to adapt to Filoni, with books and various references in FotJ, and that´s how he is thanking them for attempting to bridge the gap between the EU and his series.