Senate Pandemics in the Age of Globalization: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion: See OP Warning

One of the things that's a bit of a downer is the reminder, coming from Dr Fauci himself, that even when a vaccine is found, it might not be as long-lasting as most of us would like.

Sure its better than no vaccine at all, but it also means things might not go back to the pre covid-19 status quo for years, maybe even decades....

 

I hope we never go back to the pre-Covid19 status quo to be honest.

 

To be more specific, I mean going back to a point in time when we can go out and not need to wear masks, practice social distancing, and use gloves/hand sanitizer on a regular basis, and when hospitals are not overwhelmed or nearly overwhelmed with coronavirus patients.

 

Texas is moving to phase 3 next Wednesday with 50% capacity for businesses, restaurants, gyms, etc. Seems quite soon, especially considering that Texas hasn't shown a whole lot of improvement, particularly in Houston and Dallas.

And considering the protests (in Houston they truly HAVE been protests for the most part) that's a lot of people who could potentially be around a lot more people.

Thoughts?

 

I think his words @Princess_Tina are being misconstrued a bit as it's more about understanding how the vaccine will work as it will be more like the flu shot then a true vaccine. It might be something that will need to get every year and some years it will work better then others. The hope is that eventually it will be given with the flu shot (which is something not enough people get) so we can cut down on our flu illnesses and deaths.

I think between opening too fast and the protests @jedijax we are in for a world of hurt come the fall but I am praying to God that I am wrong and we somehow manage to avoid a horrendous second wave. A month from now will be very telling of what direction we are going with COVID.

 

At this point, as I said, even a limited-time vaccine is better than nothing at all

 

In regards to the folks still waiting for their pandemic stimulus:

 

This is nothing new and isn't much surprising. But it shows that the WHO officials, unlike what many people are thinking, were not "accomplices" with China behind the scenes when the coronavirus pandemic started. And this story doesn't support neither Trump's narrative, nor Xi Jinping's narrative regarding the WHO's handling and their countries' own handling of the pandemic.

But still, one has to wonder why the WHO and its director general, Dr. Tedros, still didn't want to publicly criticize China's lack of transparency when the pandemic was starting, which might have put a bit more international pressure from other countries in releasing early information, instead of wasting precious time at its beginning, same when the SRAS epidemic in 2003 when WHO heavily criticized Chinese authorities for their lack of transparency:

Article released by Associated Press

China delayed releasing coronavirus info, frustrating WHO

 

There are a lot of problems with the WHO, imho, but it doesn't absolve individual countries for completely mismanaging the response to the pandemic.

 

George Floyd had asymptomatic coronavirus, autopsy finds.

I wonder if those cops were exposed to it.

 

Most countries also rely on information coming from the WHO as well. If information from the WHO to countries is coming too slowly, then it's also a factor in each countries own response.

However it's also true that many individual countries didn't take seriously or mismanaged their response to the pandemic when we look for example at Taiwan, which still hasn't been invited as an observer-state at the latest World Health Assembly and WHO's refusal to integrate it, which has only 440 cases and 7 death (the great majority of the cases have now recovered), and almost two months with no local cases of infections. Taiwan only had to rely on itself rather than relying WHO's guidance, which each individual country could have done as well, allowing a quicker and more responsible response.

Posted on May 17th.

 

I was thinking specifically of Taiwan in writing the earlier post.

And speaking of mismanagement in the US:

 

We share the same thought, what a coincidence!

 

Yup! Seems confirmed: https://www.nydailynews.com/coronav...0200604-pvhrtjn4mna5blzow3gfx5ag3y-story.html

Knowing how contagious the coronavirus is, even from asymptomatic individuals, wouldn't it be ironic?

 

That's not a coincidence, because both of you post every thought you have.

 

One aspect that hasn't been touched on very much in this thread is the way this is affecting immigrants and undocumented people in the US, because so many of them are afraid to seek any kind of help, yet they are also many of the people who are part of essential services, preparing/servinf food in many of the places that are open during the lockdowns, as well as being a crucial part of supermarket crews and janitorial services in many areas of the US. Their safety and well-being is everyone's safety and well-being......

 

Hmm....

Chernobyl radioactive fires
Plague
Asteroids

Yep, some real Old Testament stuff going down.

 

Locusts!

 

Three more needed then.

 

Truly disturbing. Maryland is about to open non-essential businesses tomorrow. I work in MD and the few times I have been in the office, lots of carelessness. So much denial, scary.

 

And due to the civil unrest, about 70 testing sites have now closed:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...UtrVzVpSXB4UkdTazVaZ1E4MDJWYVdxR3JKRTJOaHF1aA..

So a cloudy picture of trying to track the virus just got even more cloudy. And I hate to say this but not only will the protests lead to a rise in cases but also be uncontrollable. Because it's one thing to contact trace an outbreak from a restuarant, its another to contract trace an outbreak from a protest. I don't even know how you begin to contract trace a breakout from a protest.

It should be noted that some ICU are starting to fill up with non COVID issues including more injuries due outdoor activities and I hate to say this, protests that turn violent.
Ultimately we really won't know if the protests and reopenings will have a true effect on the COVID numbers for several weeks. I am going to first guess it and say yes but pray I am wrong.

 

Chernobyl radioactive fires
Plague (the current pandemic)
Locusts in India: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/02/asia/india-desert-locust-swarm-intl-hnk/index.html

7 more left in fact:



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