ST Diversity in the Sequel Trilogy (see warning on page 11)

We all have our own unique experiences. I’m gay too. But I’m not disabled. I can’t lay claim to understanding your experience better than you. Likewise, you don’t know what it’s like to be black in America, so don’t act like you do.

 

Now please become intersectional.

 

The term “white privilege” refers to the status of white relative to the status of blacks. It does not mean that all white people lead charmed lives. There are different kinds of privilege, and discussing and grappling with one kind does not mean that other kinds don’t exist.

 

Okay.
I'm gone.

 

It isn't a personal insult. It is a sensitive subject. I sympathise with your own problems, but you can't make blanket statements with something like this.

 

Maybe, but as someone who has repeatedly had my concerns sneered at, and I'm not talking about here, I'm starting to take it personally.
People who are victimised like me don't get protest marches.

I think it's best for me to leave this thread.

 

I think all people get frustrated when they do not feel heard. It is important to listen all around. I'm pretty sure that was his only point.

 

An excellent way of putting.

I am disabled, too, and I have lived a less than charmed life impacted by poverty, paternal neglect and a general lack of understanding about my disabilities and I agree that my race affords me a special kind of privilege. The existence of this privilege does not mean that I am not a victim of the normalized ableism that also permeates society (which caused me to not develop a shred of self-worth until I was twenty-six)

My grandfather was an English immigrant who couldn't get into the country, initially, despite being married to a native and he had to work his way up. All the same, he benefited from white privilege. For example, it took him over three decades to learn to speak the language without blending in English words yet he was never viewed as lazy for struggling. It was simply treated as something he had difficulty with and at worst, it was viewed as a funny quirk of his. His children, one of whom was born in England and immigrated as a child, were also never treated as second-generation immigrants - they were just citizens.

White privilege is the acknowledgement and condemnation of systemic racism; it is not the condemnation of white people nor a migitation or elimination of the individual white person's struggles.

 

And will continue to do so. White people always make it about themselves. Look at these protests. Who is the star? Why, upper class white teenagers LARPing as revolutionaries, of course. And everyone's favorite white celebrities who denounce their white privilege from their mansions protected by private police. Hey, I want to denounce my white privilege from the Olympic size private pool. Well, I would if I had any but no cigar and no denouncing, sorry.

Remember this one? It went something like, if you don't agree with BLM, YOU SHOULD NOT BOTHER TO WATCH MY MOVIES. Within hours, the celeb was trending with about 300-400K where 50% was "but nobody watches his movies anyway" and other 50% was "who?".So 300-400K of tweets and retweets NOT about BLM. Bravo Hollywood.

Or that hostage video-like "I Take Responsibility" video. Bunch of white celebs made a gloomy B&W (symbolism!) video in support of protests and against systematic racism that is all about them. I this. I that. I...I...I. White people especially celebrities cannot help it. They'll always make it all about them. They'll always hijack causes that are not about them (also see kente wearing white Democrats who became bigger stars for that comedy gold than whatever police reform they penned... everyone remembers Pelosi in kente, no one remembers the reform draft).

So yes, this is not going away because you can't change habits overnight and attitudes at all. Expect more eager white industry people hijacking the spotlight no matter what the cause is because white people cannot suppress the urge to save something/someone whether it needs saving or not. They just straight up save you and you just have to deal with that all the credit and clicks will go to them. It's a fact of life.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me like you're saying that because you can't change habits overnight, this is not going away. Ever. Period. End of story.

I'd just like to say that if everyone was that pessimistic, you would be right...

...but fortunately, far from everyone is.
Change happens. Not overnight and not by itself, but as quickly as it can and because people believe in and work toward it.
Positive forces bring about positive change. That's a fact. To argue against that is unrealistic.

Not to mention counterproductive.

 

And I can draw my own conclusions just fine. Not to mention that I don't have a movement that needs celebrity/white rich kids donations so that bias is removed. Nothing wrong with going easy on whoever opens the purse. It's just that their view and my view will be different. And my view isn't a lonely one either otherwise I wouldn't bring it up.

@Lulu Mars

Which is why people get cancelled for stupid stuff they did or said ages ago. Nah they cannot change, off with their heads. Right?

 

Life isn't a scale. Nothing we do in the present, on our own, changes the past.

 

I glad people from all over the world are involved and engaging in any way they are able to. I'd much rather have people [insert any human] aware and engaged than not.

As for cancelling people for stuff they've said in the past, I'm not really for that unless they haven't changed. Take Ralph Northam's blackface incident. He's owned it and now he's affecting change in VA in ways he probably never would have. Where you're headed because of where you've been is more important.

And I thank the people here doing what they can where they can.

 

For the record, I believe your concerns deserve hearing, validation, and action. My own mother is disabled and has had her life radically impacted as a result. I would love to hear more about your experiences. Feel free to PM me anytime.

 

You know that isn’t what I meant so I don’t know why you commented.

 

I think the worst part about that is how corporations use the "brownie points" thing to keep diverse films or films about a specific experience from reaching the mainstream. Julia Hart's Fast Color wasn't marketed because gatekeepers decided there was no audience for the film (a film about a family of Black women with superpowers), but assured Hart they were eager to support diverse films. I think a similar situation happened with films like Captive State and KIN, budget sci-fi films with Black leads that weren't promoted until they were almost out in theaters.

 

The thing with ESB is that Falcon kiss is problematic from current climate's POV and it wasn't from late 70s early 80s one. Everything is cyclical so who's to say that what isn't considered problematic now won't be problematic 40 years from now? Therefore, it's fine to acknowledge that this era views old values differently but we are getting too many "why film-makers, writers, etc weren't woke back then and why didn't they see the problem?" which is fishing for a reason to be outraged.

Yeah what @Triad Moons says happens a lot. They make content and then drop the ball by not promoting it. As if they made it just so they could say we made it what do you want?

 

Another thing to think about, when they cast actors from foreign countries, is that what Hollywood may think is progressive (Donnie Yen in a supporting SW role) may not be progressive to those countries (Donnie Yen is a leading man superstar so supporting role is a token and a downgrade). Too many times American film-makers tap themselves on the back for something that makes people in other part of the world cringe. And since big movies are made for global market, cultural sensitivity should be extended beyond American minority sensitivity. For American Chinese, Donnie in SW may be a big deal but in such a third banana role it is not in his native China that views him as the leading man. Now I understand that Amero-centric view will prevail cause we are talking about American movies. But since big budget ones need foreign markets, and often place the story there and/or use local stars to boost boxoffice with their fans, it's inevitable to start thinking in terms if those markets and their stars are honored by such practice or downgraded and tokenized.

 

Where the hell did that come from?

I subscribe to what @afrojedi and @anakinfansince1983 said about "cancel culture".