Amph The The Batman Thread (+ The The Penguin Series)

@Diggy Back at you. My genius lies in the right side of my brain.

@Sith_Sensei__Prime ah, the movie is Year Two. Interesting.

 

I disagree with this, despite Bruce and The Bat being a very intelligent force.

It's not so much that there is a need to write scenarios that outsmart tthose written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, but instead provide a Batman story where a situation can only be overcome with the assistance of a vigilante. While Batman is a great detective, part of why the Dark Knight Trilogy did such a great job of telling its version of Gotham is because it was less about showcasing Batman's intellect and more toward begging the question as to when a vigilante would be absolutely necessary.

If the challenge in writing a Batman script substantially lies within writing one that is clever enough, then it's time to return to the drawing board because the finished product will inevitably fail in its own logic.

Instead, give us the guy who can do the job that can't be done independently by Gotham Police Department.

There are a few reasons why this may be the case.

 

And in your view, does a vigilante always have to violate the constitutional rights of criminals? Or could he operate within the same constraints as regular officers are supposed to abide by, just not answering to the "proper authorities"?
(And yes, I realize of course that officers IRL frequently do violate people's constitutional rights)

 

Is it me or does the new suit buff out his chest with too much fake muscle?

 

Nope. Citizens arrest, at least in my country, is enshrined within State Crime Legislation.

Being a trained ninja, the Bat doesn't always need to throw a punch when he can just twist a criminal's arm behind their back.

Well, the police are only authorised to exert a proportionate level of force when apprehending criminals (so, you can't shoot a 16 year old who is running in the opposite direction with a stolen loaf of bread, obviously).

I suppose your question could, in some ways, be answered by looking at some classic westerns or even the film, Deliverance, which both explore the idea of whether morality is constrained to the geography that is covered by law.

My view of a vigilante (Daredevil, Batman, The Punisher, Harry Callahan, The Shadow as examples), is that they have their own idealistic moral which may, or may not, coincide with the boundaries of the law.

If you have a vigilante that strictly observes criminal law, then isn't it just a cop?

I cannot recommend enough, if you haven't already, that you check out Daredevil on Netflix as an entire three seasons are explored on these questions. It's especially intriguing considering the fact that the protagonist is a morally ambiguous lawyer whose strengths are defined by his disability.

 

It's Robert Pattinson, not Daniel Craig.

Enough said.

 

Bring back Adam West.

These dark, gloomy batmans are boring the **** out of me now.

 

I know, right?!

How nihilistic was that Batman film with George Clooney?

 

We also have citizens arrests in the US. That doesn't mean you can just do whatever to someone, of course. I'm not sure what the actual limits might be, though I suppose it varies from state to state...

 

...it's Batman.

THE BATMAN.

Enough said.

 

Anyone in the thread read Murphy's Batman White Knight? Well worth a look if you haven't.

 

It's one of the final panels:

Spoiler

"Jim, I really like hurting people."

 

The Arkham games ruined the whole "greatest detective" idea. Sure he's better than the GCPD, because he has access to far superior tech that gives him the answers (3d bullet trajectory tracing, holographic scene recreation, DNA scanner)

Give Jim Gordon that stuff & he'd solve the crimes.

As for the violence, it's obvious he beats criminals to pulp because deep down he likes it.

 

At least there are no nipples on the suit?

 

But where's Robin? And Batgirl?

 

Supposedly one is planned for Batgirl. None for Robin which is the joke in the Teen Titans Go movie.

...I'd love a real movie based on the original show though...

 

If they do a Batgirl movie, they better make a better Catwoman movie, too. It will help erase our memories of the first attempt

 

Last I heard, Whedon was attached to the Batgirl movie.

 

Anything is better than Zack Snyder

 

Batman has a remarkably long history; over decades of time and thousands of comic books (to say nothing of cartoons, TV shows, etc) you can find him portrayed with many different nuances and twists.

As a long time fan, I enjoy the idea, at least hinted at in the trailer, of an increased emphasis on his abilities as a detective - Batman at a crime scene, talking with Gordon, analyzing, is something we've seen many times in the comics, but which the movies have rarely given us (maybe never given us?). I am really looking forward to that.

And of course, yeah, Batman is also about inspiring fear in criminals, and physical combat, and the trailers take on that also looks good.

Also, promising approach to the Riddler, making him creepier and more dangerous than many incarnations.

I'm definitely intrigued, and looking forward to it!