The Mandalorian Bo-Katan in The Mandalorian (Spoilers)

yeah and that fits, with her i think and she dosen't look too old.

 

Completely agree. Bo-Katan is a ruthless power hungry woman that will stop at nothing to gain control of Mandalore. She has no qualms with killing civilians if it furthers her agenda.

I hope the show will show this side of her as well, which will lead into a conflict between Bo and Din.

 

They showed her as ruthlessly committed to retaking Mandalore. No idea how that contradicts anything in TCW or Rebels.

 

In TCW, Boba Fett is clearly a child while Bo-Katan is not. Boba Fett is like 49. Bo is between Anakin and Obi-Wan. She's about 55-56 at youngest. And this is all fine, but Old Man Obi-Wan and Old Man Vader ANH fight becomes more and more pathetic as the lore continues to become established.

 

What about Darth Vader or Kylo Ren? Is Bo-Katan not allowed to grow and change too?

 

Not to mention...what about Bo-Katan in this episode shows she’s changed much? She isn’t shown to be selflessly heroic. In fact, she deceived Mando to enlist him in her ongoing quest to rule Mandalore. She’s in this for her ambition.

 

Boba Fett is 40 to be correct, so Bo being 49-50 works fine. She be 9-10 years older then Boba Fett. Also i get the idea that old man Ben Kenobi was maybe drawing out the fight untilLuke could escape, I think if he wanted to he might have killed Vader.

 

Both died to redeem themselves so never really had to live with the consequences of dealing with good people after their turns. I’d also argue that Bo has yet to have a moment where she appears to acknowledge what she did was wrong.

I have no problem with a redemptive arc. My problem is mainly from Rebels where good characters like Sabine fought to have her rule Mandalore. Why did Sabine giver her the darksaber? Now we are back to her restoring rule when I’m confused as to why she was given it in the first place.

 

She’s pursuing the throne. That doesn’t imply that everyone condones it. It’s just what’s happening. She has a dark past, and she’s still ruthlessly ambitious. That’s all there is to it right now.

 

Bo-Katan sounded pretty defeated after she lost Mandalore to the Empire when we saw her in the Rebels episodes, at least she accepted the darksaber and her role as ruler of Mandalore. Now she lost Mandalore twice and she seems more revengeful this time around. I'm pretty sure rebuilding Mandalorian society will become a huge theme in future seasons. Maybe Gideon didn't win the darksaber in single combat and that's why she sounds so pissed.

 

Yeah, I’m pretty sure he stole it.

 

Well there is some issues. Djarin(nor Cara) is that naive about Mandalore and Mandalorians though as Bo-Katan made out, and all you have to go is go back to the 1st season finale:

Moff Gideon: Your astute panic suggests that you understand your situation. I would prefer to avoid any further violence, and encourage a moment of consideration. Members of my escort have completed assembly of an E-Web heavy repeating blaster. If you are unfamiliar with this weapon, I am sure that Republican Shock Trooper Carasynthia Dune of Alderaan will advise you that she has witnessed many of her ranks vaporize mid-descent facing the predecessor of this particular model. Or perhaps the decommissioned Mandalorian hunter, Din Djarin, has heard the songs of the Siege of Mandalore, when gunships outfitted with similar ordnance laid waste to fields of Mandalorian recruits in The Night of a Thousand Tears. I advise disgraced Magistrate Greef Karga to search the wisdom of his years and urge you to lay down your arms and come outside. The structure you are trapped in will be razed in short order and your storied lives will come to an unceremonious end.

Din Djarin: It's Moff Gideon.

Cara Dune: No. Moff Gideon was executed for war crimes.

Din Djarin: It's him. He knew my name.

Greef Karga: So? What does that prove?

Din Djarin: I haven't heard that name spoken since I was a child.

Greef Karga: On Mandalore?

Din Djarin: I was not born on Mandalore.

Greef Karga: But you're a Mandalorian.

Cara Dune: Mandalorian isn't a race.

Din Djarin: It's a Creed.

[ Flashback to Din Djarin's childhood, where he is seen carried by his father, accompanied by his mother, as they flee from droids shooting everyone in sight. His parents put him in an underground storage and close the hatch. Then an explosion. A droid opens the hatch, but before it can kill him, it gets shot and destroyed. A Mandalorian pulls him out, and he watches a squad of Mandalorians fight the droids. Then the man who saved him, takes him away, leaving the fighting behind. ]

Din Djarin: I was a foundling. They raised me in the Fighting Corps. I was treated as one of their own. When I came of age, I was sworn to the Creed. The only record of my family name was in the registers of Mandalore. Moff Gideon was an ISB Officer during the purge. That's how I know it's him.

Cara Dune: That's how he knows who we all are.




Mandalore only had a population of 4,000,000, which isnt that much. That was Clone Wars era figure too. Very likely that number went way down following the Death Watch civil war with the Mandalorian Resistence-Republic invasion which then became Imperial occupied soon after. Once the Republic transitioned into the Empire, that saw Bo-Katan ousted and Gar Saxon put on the throne. Now how much blood shed that caused is unknown right now, but certainly some must have occurred.

Then there is Sabine's WMD was used against her own people at some point during the Imperial occupation to test the weapon. That occurred presumably under Saxon's rule and Fenn Rau's watch. That weapon target beskar wearers, so we have to presume the Empire used on Mandalorian warriors to further squash any Imperial dissent. The Great Purge and Night of a thousand tears(Imperial gunships laid waste to fields of Mandalorian recruits) occurred sometime after ROTS .

The Siege of Mandalore is not known what Gideon is referring too wholly, since it does not line up with TCW's Siege of Mandalore. So was there more than one Siege/ Purge or is Djarin and Gideon referring to Death Watch youth recruits and prisoners being gunned down as prisoners of war atrocity scenerio. We don't really know aside from it occurs during the Imperial era.

Then we have another Mandalorian civil war between the Saxon Brothers and Clan Wren which then brought Bo-Katan back to lead another Mandalorian Resistance movement during the Rebellion era which eventually leads to their defeat and perhaps another purge or something which boots Bo-Katan from power and she loses the sword .

Moreover we have Fenn Rau, who was not linked to Bo-Katan, at all thus far in the Clone Wars cartoon or whatever, but actually was some kinda auxiliary or mercenary fighting with the Republic in the Kanan comic during this time. He was off doing his own thing. He also did not like Death Watch, which could explain why he did not link up with Bo-Katan cause was ex-Death Watch.

We learn that Rau and his Protectors are basically Satine's former bodyguards that fought alongside the Republic, but they are not visibly present during the Siege of Mandalore in Season 7. Moreover Rau during the Dark Times they remained loyal to Republic rebranded Empire and worked as an Imperial paid ally and for the most part loyalist until swayed to the Rebellion - but only cause he was a prisoner for a year and being used a hostage to keep his Protectors from attacking Rebels, Sabine had the darksaber and Saxon used Rau's failure to take complete control and eliminate a rival and his faction. Rau's Concord Dawn enjoyed some soverity under the Empire.

Fenn Rau(probably only a matter of time when Kevin McKidd shows up on this show I guess) also stated that Mandalore would descend into chaos once they found that Gar Saxon was killed:

"Gar Saxon was guilty of treason against the throne, collaboration with our enemy, and the execution of my fellow Protectors. But when the rest of Mandalore finds out about his death, there will be chaos."
―Fenn Rau after the death of Gar Saxon

So this means another battle or war must have occurred, and that to most Mandalorians during that era believed him to be the legitimate leader, possibly also because he served under Vizla and later Almec as Death Watch were seen as liberators under Maul's plan. The regular population may not of ever accepted Bo-Katan cause of her actions against the government and her leading the Republic invasion force into Mandalore. Many could've just sided with Empire in whatever Gar Saxon told about Republic' invasion being a lie and evil plot between the Jedi and the traitor Bo-Katan.

On top of that other Almec and Saxon types could've seized power or attempted to. But Mandalore was still occupied by the Empire. And Saxon did not need the Darksaber , he was a strongman type and something of a cult figure. His brother was similar. But these two still needed Imperial support.

Furthermore Bo-Katan on The Mandalorian claims she's the last of her line, so that also begs the question what happened to Korkie Kryze?! Sounds like he's long dead and Bo-Katan herself for whatever reason never reproduced.

 

I have a feeling no previous Mandalorian we knew died in the great purge or whatever.

 

Fenn Rau is still kicking around somewhere training new portectors.

 

A book series about what happened on Mandalore during the season finale of Rebels (before the time jump at the end) and the beginning of the Mandalorian, detailing the Purge and maybe giving greater insight into Bo Katan as a character, could be really cool. I'd read it, and I haven't been keeping up with the new canon books almost at all.

 

They could certainly unpack Bo-Katan's interiority more, but my reading of the story is that when Bo's sister is killed by Maul, and also when Pre Visla is assassinated by him, she's affected deeply by the experience and changes to be a bit more balanced of a character. Now I don't think they ever give her a speech to express this shift, but her behavior is different afterward, if I'm remembering correctly. Basically, she is visibly moved by Satine's death and we are meant to perceive and infer a fundamental change.

Of course, Bo is still a character capable of great violence and egotistic behavior -- this is what makes her fun -- but I think we're supposed to understand that she controls these impulses for the generally honorable goal of stabilizing Mandalore.

 

My primary problem with Bo-Katan is, well, the lack of acknowledgement her negative traits and deeds receive.

For example, the events of "A Friend in Need" doesn't at all impact Ahsoka's opinion on Bo-Katan, which also makes Ahsoka come across as a massive hypocrite when she looks down on the Jedi for forgetting about the little people.

It'd be different if Ahsoka's support for Bo-Katan had been for the sake of taking down Maul and restoring some stability to Mandalore - a choice between devils, basically - but that's not how it's played. If it had, that would have added genuine nuance and complexity to not just the situation, but the characters.

Instead, Ahsoka genuinely likes Bo-Katan, Ahsoka genuinely has a high opinion of her and Ahsoka genuinely thinks she's the best choice for Mandalore.

I'd love for Bo-Katan's whole character to be acknowledged, especially since it could play well into Din's potential identity crisis about what it means to be a true Mandalorian. The Watch's take is much more restrictive and has withheld information from him, so he might be tempted by Bo-Katan's less restrictive take, only to discover that she has certain ideological notions (The weak don't tell the strong what to do) that he is not aboard with - we have seen that Din doesn't like to see innocent people hurt and that he appears to be ashamed of his old bloodlust.

Bo-Katan's way is less restrictive but just like the Watch, it has its own specific downsides; like dividing people into the weak and strong categories, and believing that the latter entitled to rule or hurt the former.

Ultimately, Din has to be the one who decides for himself what he thinks he should be like as a Mandalorian and that there doesn't need to be only one way to be a true Mandalorian, especially since not everyone is going to feel at home or follow the mentality/tenets of those ways and that doesn't/shouldn't make them any less Mandalorian.

I like what we've seen so far of Bo-Katan's character. It doesn't seem to shy away from the ambitious and "bully" mentality of her character. For example, she alters the terms of her deal with Din because she knows he's not in a position to really refuse her (he's weak, she's strong) and she doesn't care because it's for her cause and so, in her eyes, she's right and doesn't have to feel even the slightest bit of remorse.

But if we fall into another Ahsoka situation, I'm going to take that back.

 

Palpatine looked good in RotJ? Didn’t he have a jaundiced look around his eyes and the rest of his face looked like someone tried to jam it into a woodchipper. (I think I just figured out what Palpatine was doing in his free time—he was remaking Fargo). I’m not sure I’d say he looked “good” for
90. Maybe I’d go with he looked good if he were 137.

 

Mando history is like that part in high school European history where the French Revolution happened and all the factions started killing each other and I kinda lost track of what happened and don’t remember it all anymore lol. #DjarinForSpaceNapoleon

 

I’d be in all for this but yeah, a book/comic book series from Ursa Wren or even Korkie’s POV would be cool. I’d even be fine with Bo and a close group of Nite Owls, even could show the origins of Koska Reeves and Axe. I just hope Disney understands how excited people are with the Bo Katan hype and cashes in on it. I’ve waited 12 years for Bo Katan merch.

 

I don't even notice until now.

 

Just accept this as the "official" version how the fight went and everything will be fine.

 

I would if it shows Kenobi being the superior warrior.

 

Except he probably wasn’t