Senate The US Politics 2.0 Discussion Thread

Thanks. I just keep on getting worried anytime something bad happens in court or with a legislature. I know basically all avenues have been blocked, but that doesn’t stop the irrational side of me

 

Coastal Elite liberals have spent the last four years going on Twitter lambasting the working class in the United States for not watching Hamilton or not doing other nonsense. Democrats are going to have to do something to show they're serious about the working class, but the thing is the Democratic base simply isn't. They'd rather punish Trump voters (just look at Yodas_roommate's post from earlier in the week).

 

So, assuming there's no Georgia miracle in January... what are the most radical executive actions Biden could do?

There will be a lot of reversing the supermajority of what Trump did, but that just brings us back to the Obama 2016 status quo.

What are the most radical executive orders he could give, especially on domestic policy?





EDIT:

Also, looking at the maps, it seems like red america got redder and blue america got bluer, overall:

2016


2020



Lastly there's this . . .

Spoiler: Trigger Warning for what is 6 x 4 plus 2000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election#Publicly_expressed_interest_2


Publicly expressed interest
As of November 2020, individuals in this section have expressed an interest in running for president within the last six months.

• Dan Bongino, commentator, radio host; candidate for Senate in 2012, candidate for House of Representatives in 2014 and 2016[26]
• Chris Christie, Governor of New Jersey (2010–2018); candidate for president in 2016[27][28]
• Sean Hannity, talk show host on Fox News (1996–present)[29]
• Robert O'Brien, United States National Security Advisor (2019–present); Special Envoy for Hostage Affairs (2018–2019)[30]
• Candace Owens, author, commentator, and political activist[31]
• Donald Trump, President of the United States (2017–present)[32][33][34]

Other potential candidates
As of November 2020, the following people have been subjects of speculation about their potential candidacy within the last six months.

• Greg Abbott, Governor of Texas (2015–present)[35][36]
• Charlie Baker, Governor of Massachusetts (2015–present)[37][38]
• Tom Cotton, U.S. Senator from Arkansas (2015–present)[39][40]
• Dan Crenshaw, U.S. Representative from TX-02 (2019–present)[41][42]
• Ted Cruz, U.S. Senator from Texas (2013–present); candidate for president in 2016[43][44]
• Nikki Haley, United States Ambassador to the United Nations (2017–2018); Governor of South Carolina (2011–2017)[45][46]
• Larry Hogan, Governor of Maryland (2015–present)[47][48]
• Mike Pence, Vice President of the United States (2017–present); Governor of Indiana (2013–2017)[49][50]
• Mike Pompeo, United States Secretary of State (2018–present); Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (2017–2018)[51][52]
• Marco Rubio, U.S. Senator from Florida (2011–present); candidate for president in 2016[53][54]
• Ben Sasse, U.S. Senator from Nebraska (2015–present)[55][56]
• Rick Scott, U.S. Senator from Florida (2019–present); Governor of Florida (2011–2019)[53][57]
• Tim Scott, U.S. Senator from South Carolina (2013–present)[58][59]
• Donald Trump Jr., businessman and eldest son of President Trump[60][61]
• Eric Trump, businessman and second son of President Trump[60][61]

• 
  Governor
  Greg Abbott
  of Texas
• 
  Governor
  Charlie Baker
  of Massachusetts
• 
  U.S. Senator
  Tom Cotton
  from Arkansas
• 
  U.S. Representative
  Dan Crenshaw
  from Texas
• 
  U.S. Senator
  Ted Cruz
  from Texas
• 
  Former Ambassador to the United Nations
  Nikki Haley
  from South Carolina
• 
  Governor
  Larry Hogan
  of Maryland
• 
  Vice President
  Mike Pence
  from Indiana
• 
  Secretary of State
  Mike Pompeo
  from Kansas
• 
  U.S. Senator
  Marco Rubio
  from Florida
• 
  U.S. Senator
  Ben Sasse
  from Nebraska
• 
  U.S. Senator
  Rick Scott
  from Florida
• 
  U.S. Senator
  Tim Scott
  from South Carolina
• 
  Businessman
  Donald Trump Jr.
  from New York
• 
  Businessman
  Eric Trump
  from New York

Declined to be candidates
The individuals in this section have been the subject of speculation about their possible candidacy, but have publicly denied interest in running.

• Tucker Carlson, talk show host on Fox News (2009–present)[62][63]
• Ron DeSantis, Governor of Florida (2019–present); U.S. Representative from Florida (2013–2018)[53][64]
• Matt Gaetz, U.S. Representative from FL-01 (2017–present)[65][53]
• Josh Hawley, U.S. Senator from Missouri (2019–present)[66][67]
• Kristi Noem, Governor of South Dakota (2019–present); U.S. Representative from South Dakota (2011–2019)[68][69]
• Mitt Romney, U.S. Senator from Utah (2019–present); Governor of Massachusetts (2003–2007); candidate for president in 2008; Republican Party nominee for president in 2012[70][71]
• Dan Patrick, Lieutenant Governor of Texas (2015–present)[72][73]
• Ivanka Trump, Senior Advisor to the President of the United States (2017–present); eldest daughter of President Trump[74][75]
• Scott Walker, former Governor of Wisconsin (2011–2019); candidate for president in 2016[76][77]

 

Nothing has changed about Trump's attitude towards the election.

 

There is no winning back workers after NAFTA. But beyond that yeah the coastal libs have freaking dumped on rural people who largely don't even vote, we can do platitudes all we want. That wont change a damn thing.

It is a pointless and hollow point to make, it is like saying "republicans will risk another trump if they betray the vision of Ulysses S Grant." Bit late for that. It is not a solution, in fact that only one workers have been given is "oh never mind I lied to you as well, vote for the guy you know is also a rapist or you're the problem and not the literal segregationist." They are not offered things if people keep kneecapping them cause "trump is the biggest threat ever". Hell people right here are literally doing the "compromise cause the next trump" thing already. Biden's not even sworn in yet and we are being told to operate based on the assumption that dems wont offer us anything but will need us to stop the next supposed Hitler

also that Biden cabinet article is bloodchilling and makes me fear for us all. "they will be like family as they starve people to death or drone strike hospitals"

 

While I completely agree with Bernie it’s hard to imagine that many Trump voters will ever get off the Trump train even if Dem’s make their lives better. It’s worth a shot but I’m not hopeful.

 

What's worse than "Dems"?
"Dem's".

 

While the subhead mentions winning over Trump voters, later he describes it as avoiding the loss of millions of voters, which should be the actual goal. The goal should be to keep the millions who turned out solely to defeat Trump and are otherwise not particularly motivated to vote Democrat.

The problem with this is that much of it simply doesn't describe the Democratic Party, and won't under a Biden administration. Biden is already showing that his side has no claim to several of those statements as he picks his cabinet.

So, if supporters try to sway people with this One Side folk song, non-supporters and Republicans will be able to rightly say that Democrats cannot claim some of those things. They would be correct if they said neither side is for some of those things.

 

I’ve been very impressed with Biden’s Cabinet picks this far, and am especially happy to see a Cabinet-level position on climate created, with a top seat on the National Security Council, and a former Secretary of State in the position. That’s a major signal that they’re taking the issue far more seriously than under Obama. Really heartening to see actual competent people being tasked to do critically important things.

I am, though, worried about Cedric Richmond’s close ties to the fossil fuel industry in Louisiana. Though that was all about political survival, I’m sure, it’s still a red flag. My hope is that he might be deployed to prevent opposition from those quarters, and not to water climate policy down (pun intended).

Still need to keep this incoming Administration’s feet to the fire, but these signs are positive. A strong start, and not at all the massive “compromise” many feared.

 

The Green New Deal is terrible because it's anti-nuclear.

 

As though that's the reason the Democratic establishment opposes it.

 

I find that really harsh and condecending to be frank. Like not offensive, but the same reason why dems will never get them on their side. Those people exist sure, but it should not be treated like a hurdle, but more than that they think that way cause a failing of their society. Corporations put whatever they want in their food with no consequence.

Above all else though, it is not them who we need to win over, it is rarely if ever a strawman hick type, but rather people who make lots of money, had the chance to get a degree, and don't wanna lose their cushy insurance at their accounting job. The degree to which poor people or stubborn people buy into this is the degree to which they are sold propaganda by the democratic and republican parties.

Most people are not still enthusiastic or where ever enthusiastic about trump. Dont confuse his cult for his voters, or his voters for non-voters. Most people NAFTA screwed over did not vote. Most working people don't need to be told that schools need to stop pushing universities that want to bleed us dry, The problem is not winning them over, it is the fact that that belief is actually more opposed, not by some racist coal miner but by the democratic party and by people with college degrees. The divide is often along that line. People less so need convincing as they need someone to rally behind who hates the democrats as much as they do.

Also Biden does reject the green new deal itself, he rejects banning fracking. It's be like supporting the New Deal but not the welfare programs or the PWA.

I would want to die if the dems tried to co-opt Which Side are you on. The dems can never even claim support for the workers side cause it is not a checklist. It is a battle. Not an ideological debate but a binary choice with no wiggle room.
"they say in Harlan County there are no neutrals there, you either be a union man or a thug for J H Blair"
It is not about goals but specifically one battle, one in which you can never ever cross the picket line in, and one in which you MUST view the bosses as the enemy always. You can't be true for some and not true for others, you either be capitalist or anti-capitalist no exceptions.

Love Billy Bragg's version as well as the classic one.


Management can never be on one side. The american people are not suckers, they know the dems can never look out for them. Even if we could convince them we would just be doing the 2020 thing again, attracting the and then going "oh never mind wait till next time I guess, vote for the people we know you hate and are voting specifically against otherwise you are the real problem"

It's the same reason FDR's capitalist-saving new deal did more harm to a workers movement in the long run. It made people think they could put their faith into what was essentially a liferaft for capital, and when the inevitable occurred the whole movement collapsed. All this stuff does is erode trust ansd show people that they should NEVER trust anyone even if they agree with them. Our job is to convince people we will never side with the DNC and will look out for them cause we are actually on their side in a struggle that can take any number of forms and enemies. We should make sure the dems don't convince anyone they are on their side.

The workers have to be given the organizational means to become a class of itself rather than in itself. As Lenin said of Engels' truth

 

I mean simple and easy as it may be, Salinger gave the answer, one that pins the blame directly on the ruling class itself and its perfidious means of getting compliance out of people's understandable wants and emotions.


And I don't really blame them for that, A media more loyal to authority than under dictatorships, a society that could for 200 years use the frontier as a means of pushing people away from class conflict, etc; it all leads to this. Nothing short of eradicating the existence of a ruling class will change things I fear

 

There were a bunch of pictures making the rounds yesterday of huge lines waiting for food distribution at food banks in several red states. And this was right after Trump made his announcement about the DOW being up 3 million percent. The cognitive dissonance couldn't be more clear. Those same people who probably still rabidly support Trump, who cry out against socialist policies that they feel would result in them lining up for food at a food bank to have bread distributed to them.

 

CNN was showing footage of lines today as well - not sure what states they were in as I came in late to the story.

 

It's been drilled into their minds by the GOP and friends that the word "socialism" is a bad word. These people are, unfortunately, conditioned to foam at the mouth and fall over whenever that word is uttered.

 

Wait. I thought the food lines would only happen if the Socialist Biden Dems took power and made America Communist. Good thing, Trump won the election and that will never happen.

 

So apparently some GOP people in New Hampshire now want to impeach the Republican Governor for requiring people to wear masks. The more time goes on the less “moderate” republicans there will be as eventually they’ll either be kicked from the party or just leave.

 

I like your sig, JKF. I just noticed it, and I completely agree, of course.

 

I forgot my sig was still political related

 

This 100% opposition to fracking (of natural gas, at least) is, I think, one of the few flawed positions of many on the left and environmentalists.

Right now, without more effective battery technology, solar and wind cannot provide 100% of our power needs. When the sun's down or the wind isn't blowing, we have to go back to the regular grid for our power. That gap requires us to fall back on some type of fossil fuel (except in places with hydroelectric or nuclear).

Since we must rely on fossils fuels as a backup, the question is which fossil fuel source is the best, and natural gas is clearly the best option. The shift from coal to natural gas because of market forces actually led to a slight decrease in greenhouse gasses from fossil fuel power during most of the last 15 yrs, even though the US has continued to increase its energy consumption.

I certainly think fracking for natural gas needs to be better regulated -- such as, leaking of methane into the atmosphere, pollution of water supplies, earthquakes in Oklahoma, etc. -- and it shouldn't be allowed in those areas where those problems can be prevented, but until battery technology is improved or there's a 24/hr sustainable energy source, it seems like fracking for natural gas needs to be part the equation for fighting climate change.

That's my impression from my understanding of the subject. I'm interested in the thoughts of others who are knowledgeable on this issue.

 

The Purge, Trump edition.

The secret Cicero quote was probably the following:

"Inter Arma, Enim Silent Legis" (?sp)--'In time of war, the law falls silent.' Would fit this administration perfectly.

I'm wondering, can Biden simply fire all these people and rehire everyone normal and qualified that Trump's pushed out?