The Mandalorian Din Grogu [Baby Yoda] (Spoilers)

I am aware of Kylo Rens misdeeds, but I don’t see how all of his terrible things should prevent us the audience from getting character development of Luke’s students, including Grogu if he is still with Luke.

The Prequel era benefited with TCW giving more character development to Jedi doomed to die.

 

have you heard the thing about the deck chairs on the Titantic?

 

Why aren’t fans wanting/assuming Grogu to be Yoda or Yaddle’s child like they wanted Rey to be Luke or Han/Leia’s daughter in TFA?

I don’t want it. But I’m curious why more haven’t matched on the idea of him being a legacy like they did Rey.

 

Imagine Yoda doing the wild thing fifty years ago, we cannot.

 

But that’s the next Disney + show:

Yoda’s Hot Swampy Nights

 

I think GL realized it was a mistake to introduce Yaddle in TPM and that's why we never saw her again. I think it was a mistake because it grounds Yoda's species in biology, and GL deliberately avoided naming Yoda's species to keep his origin a mystery. ...so the question remains, did Yoda even have parents? Did Grogu? Are they some kind of being that is so pure that The Force spontaneously generates one once a millennium?

I don't think they should ever really explain it. The existence of Yaddle creates the assumption, but I don't think that's probably it. If we found out that Yoda and Yaddle are Grogu's parents that would make the whole thing less magical.

 

Agree 100%. Yoda and Grogu should be something special, Yaddle should be irrelevant.

 

I don’t think Yaddle should be forgotten she exists and she should exist just as much as any other character

 

I think it’s because thus far, Favreau and Filoni don’t seem to be creating an idiotic story.

 

I think the reason for the speculation around Rey is that she was introduced into an existing story with a long history and cast of established characters. Remember she was introduced in Episode 7 of the Star Wars saga. Most of the prominent characters were introduced in Episode I and almost all the main cast had some sort of relation with that establishing cast one way, or another. Luke and Leia are Padme and Anakin's kids. The only main cast member to be added with no real prior threads is Han Solo and Lando is introduced via Han. I guess you could say Han is connected to Yoda via Chewie, but this is more a coincidence than a product of this string of relationships. So when you introduce new characters who comes out of the blue as the main cast to this story it seems really odd they have no connection to the prior cast of this family drama. So people naturally gravitated to guessing who is related to who. Finn Calrissian, or Rey Skywalker/Solo/Kenobi/Palpatine. This was especially a problem for Rey. Her backstory was a mystery and set up like a mystery by J.J. Abrams to get people guessing and excited for the next movie in hopes for answers. The flashback scene in particular really drives home the importance of Rey's heritage. Another reason and one I think The Force Awakens actually stumbles into is Rey's unexplained force abilities. Rey's origin could have been left a mystery, her being a nobody could have worked, but when you bring in the fact her ability to use advanced force abilities makes no sense it demanded an answer and heritage was one of the most intuitive places to look. What's funny is I think this was an accident do to a confused and rushed script writing process. Originally Luke was suppose to train Rey, but Luke got cut from the movie as not to outshine the new cast. I think they just ran out of time to adjust the story to this new reality and left the part in of Rey having advanced force abilities. I think this is why Rey gets tagged with a certain label. The first person I heard suggest Rey was a Mary Sue said she'd be one if she wasn't a Skywalker. Mary Sues are narrative invaders and this is the story of the Skywalker family so having some rando come in and take over the story with abilities inconsistent with the narrative, lore and themes that came before really contribute to this perception of Rey. This gave greater importance to Rey's origin. It wasn't simply answering a mystery, but fixing bad writing. When I called out a lot of the writing issues with Rey a common defense I heard was that Episode 8 will explain the character. I think this is why people took Rey Nobody so badly. It doesn't explain Rey, or fix the writing issues with the character. What some saw as problems, many saw as mysteries and well The Last Jedi broke that illusion.

With Grogu on the other hand he's in a side story about side characters. While TFA was suppose to continue an existing story. The Mandalorian is a brand new story of its own that just so happens to be set in that Galaxy Far Far Away. The only real constraint to side stories like the Mandalorian is lore. Where the Sequels had things like narrative, characters and themes to consider. I think this is why Rogue One and Solo don't get criticized nearly as much as the Sequels, or even the Prequels. Grogu doesn't need to be connected to any existing character because those characters aren't part of, or important to the story of The Mandalorian, at least not at the outset. There aren't as many reasons to explicitly know Grogu's origin. He's not a random introduction to this story. He's a key member of the establishing cast. The Mandalorian also never plays up his origin as being important. His main purpose is to be protected by Mando. We could never have learned his actual origin, or his name and he would still function the same as a character and make sense for the story he is in. The Mandalorian just has a lot more leeway in how it can tell it's stories because it doesn't have the weight of the prior movies weighing it down like the Sequel Trilogy did. As to his force abilities, unlike Rey, until Chapter 13 his backstory is really vague. With Rey we knew she didn't know what the force was and the flashbacks reinforce the idea she has no prior training. Which creates the issues I mentioned earlier when she all of a sudden knows how to use them and necessitates an explanation. With Grogu we initially have no idea of his past, or his proficiency with the force. Nothing about Grogu contradicts what we know about the lore of the Star Wars universe and Chapter 13 gives some backstory to Grogu and it doesn't contradict the existing lore. We just don't need to know Grogu's parents. The same way we don't need to know Yoda's, or Obi wan's.

 

The Phantom Menace (where we saw Yaddle) took place in 32 BBY. So by the time we saw Yaddle, Ahsoka had been a Jedi Youngling at the temple for 4 years. Yaddle was on the Jedi Council during this time, but 10 years later she was gone when AOTC started. So Yaddle and Ahsoka overlapped as Jedi somewhere between 4 and 14 years. If Yaddle died I would think it would be pretty big news that a Jedi Council-member died and Ahsoka would remember it. ...yet in her TM episode Ahsoka said she's only 'met one other being like Grogu, Yoda'.

Of course Ahsoka was created and added after TPM/AOTC came out. So there are some bends necessary to fit her in there. BUT, her line in TM is brand new. They had 20/20 hindsight when they decided for her to say she's met only one (instead of the tiny change 'i've only met two...'). ...and there's no way Favreau and Filoni forgot about Yaddle. I'm sure she was discussed constantly when they were designing Grogu.

EDIT: read the additional detail that in literature Yaddle died in 26 BBY. ...so Ahsoka was with the Jedi for 7 years while Yaddle was alive (Ahsoka was 10 years old). Yaddle died on a mission *with* Anakin Skywalker. So the idea that Ahsoka wouldn't be aware of Yaddle is absurd.

 

I wonder how long Grogu stays with Luke. Personally I belive he will end up with Din again.

 

Both Din and Grogu are The Mandalorian. He’ll be back.

 

I've always held open the possibility that Grogu is actually The Mandalorian the show title is referring to. It'd be kind of a clever fake-out.

 

I’m almost certain of it. Grogu with the Mando medallion on at the end of season 1 was no accident. He’s going to be the next Mandalor.

 

The only legacy that is interesting in star wars is the Skywalker one, and Grogu sure is it, in master/learner capacity. Who his mommy is is of less consequence.

Also, it's quite obvious when you look at him that he is not Yoda's son, they look nothing alike besides the obvious species features

 

Grogu is far more handsome than Yoda was. Grogu is like a model.

 

Grogu's so hot right now.

 

How much Grogu do you all think we'll see next season? Not at all? A couple of episodes? Several episodes?

 

If I had to guess I’d say in the finale or the last two episodes only but that’s just me throwing darts.

 

Grogu has a new look: GREEN BESKAR!

 

I think we'll see him some, but he needs to be away for a while to demonstrate that he his learning with Luke. If he's back in the main story too quick it ruins the separation scene at the end of season 2. My idea is that the show could peek in on what he's doing with Luke a couple times, could even be after credits stingers. ...like one where he's floating with his hands in a yoga pose and levitating some boulders, and maybe he opens one eye to check if it's working. ...or maybe trying to build his tiny lightsaber. ...he could call Din on a video screen and show him his new lightsaber (be careful!). haha

 

Not sure if this is the best place to share this, but I had to share this gem I found.

 

It's strange, just like with Yoda, this character's popularity can erupt. After initial scepticism for both, they've become such well loved characters.