Amph Here's Some Money, Go See A Swap Thing: DCU/Elseworlds Discussion

Was Black Panther popular before his movie? I would argue not to the extent that he has become since then - in fact I don't really think it's close. Marvel can turn C-List characters into A-Listers, it's just a risk.

So why is Warners waiting so long? Like, it should not have taken until 2017 to make a Wonder Woman movie.

You took all of my statements out of context but nice try. You literally grabbed random quotes from completely different posts and just randomly slapped them together. Not sure why you're going to bat for the powerful megacorporation but you be you.

 

I don't give a rat's ass about WB, I just don't want to spend my time reading bad argumentation.

 

@Darkslayer Marvel took a defunct comic book in Guardians of the Galaxy and turned it into a smash hit movie. Meanwhile WB cannot seem to even get Superman right. MCU is always progressing forward it seems while WB is one step forward and then one step backward.

 

Well, WB did get Superman right with Christopher Reeve (70's and 80's movies, though) and Dean Cain (90's TV show).

 

Then avoid your own posts at all cost.

 

@PCCViking Superman I and Superman II were great (though I do prefer Donner's vision for Superman II then Lester's). But after that it fell off a cliff though there is part of me that kind of enjoys Superman III because it brings back good memories (it is the third movie I remember seeing in the theater as a kid along with E.T. and Return of the Jedi) and it does have at times a fun bad quality to it. Superman IV is just bad bad!

 

KAPOW!

 

I'll be honest, that's three movies in a row from Snyder where they didn't have the financial projections properly in check. Fire the budget team.

 

The article you're quoting is comparing apples to oranges, as HBO Max is only released in select markets, while both Disney + and Netflix are available globally. So you can't use raw numbers as actual indicators. To have a better idea of the reach of the Snyder cut, we'd have to add to the HBO numbers cited above the figures for viewings through third-party partners (such as Crave) and VOD (like iTunes/AppleTV). Until we get this data, any parallel between streaming services will be biased and unbalanced.

 

The CNBC article does lay out that comparison, it’s generally a stronger analysis. HBO co-branded service size globally is at about 60 million total accounts vs, e.g., 200 million for Netflix.

Edit: They also note (and this is in keeping with the general vague morass these services like to keep any real numbers obscured behind despite the fact that they have perfect data) that there was no comment on the Snyder Cut’s performance, but from analysis it did have less member watch through than WW1984 (perhaps to be expected given that was a new sequel to a popular film).

 

I'm sure John Cena's Peacemaker will make a fine bizarro parody type of Captain America, as the trailer for The Suicide Squad makes the character out to be. So glad that James Gunn is handling it.

 

If you talked to them, I think you'll find most of the members of the "cult" to be kind and caring people. At least, that's been my experience with it.

In fact, you do talk to one of them

WB shoots themselves in the foot, no one needs people like me to say that.

This I agree with. BvS and Man of Steel did not need to have budgets of 250 million. Totally ridiculous.

I'd hardly call this bad news, it really only measures American subs. That number would have tripled had HBO Max been available worldwide. While that wouldn't have hit WandaVision numbers for instance, that still would have been pretty successful.

I do think WB has really bungled the rollout for HBO Max which is unfortunate. It's library of content is actually incredible. And the 2021 theater specials actually make it even more attractive as a service. Surprised they are so behind the 8-ball in making it available worldwide.

 

I'd say the knock-on effect of keeping those effects houses in business during the pandemic was worth while

 

Apparently the numbers are even worse as they're conflating HBO subscribers via cable plans (who have access to HBO streaming) with Max subscribers.

https://gizmodo.com/those-hbo-max-numbers-arent-what-they-seem-1846752112

 

hey if WB goes completely loony and throws 400 million at Snyder to finish his trilogy, sure why not? However, it's exceptionally unlikely due to starting from scratch costs vs. finishing off a mostly done flick. But you'd never think WB would put it's movies day and date on a streaming service either, which was basically AT&T saying "We need more people signing up for this giant goddamn money pit streaming service!" When you look at that way, what's another 400 million at that point to finish Snyder's movies? Throw that bad money after bad!

 

They didn't do Hal as a classic hero, though. They presented him as the ripoff of Tom Cruise from Top Gun that Geoff Johns turned him into. They should have based him off the 60's Hal as written by John Broome and on Hal from New Frontier by Darwyn Cooke.

 

I think they should have made him a drunk **** up like in Emerald Dawn. Ramming headlong into yellow signs, getting his best friend killed in a hospital explosion, not realizing that maybe if an entire planet is rebelling against a guy who keeps talking about order like it's a religion he might be a bad guy, deciding it's okay to take orders from a bunch of nakedly duplicitous and untrustworthy guardians, etc.

In short, just make him a total goddamn moron. Hell, there's even precedent beyond that story.

 

Okay, have to take nitpicky umbrage here, Johns didn't come up with that. If anything Johns defanged the death of Hal's dad by making it less emotionally crippling, at least compared to its portrayal in Emerald Dawn. It's implied there that Hal never really processed his trauma properly until being granted the ring stopped him just before he ruined his life. That's a theme that Marz brought back in Emerald Twilight, where he links Hal's inability to process what happened to Coast City with his inability to accept what happened to his father, and the very last thing that happens before the Guardians shut off his power is his inability to get his dad construct to say he's proud of him (I literally just reread all of this stuff a few days ago following the short discussion ITT so it's a bit fresh in the memory banks, I swear I do not normally know what is psychologically haunting 90s Hal Jordan at the drop of a hat). I think this is part of why Parallax Hal is always so convinced he's always doing the right thing, even if it takes horrible steps to accomplish - a total inability to deal with grief manifesting as a self-destructive desire to "set things right."

That all said, I agree there's a really good movie in Emerald Twilight, and maybe the consequences would be precisely something like the ultimate sacrifice in The Final Night; hell, there's a good-ass trilogy in an origin story, going through with ET, and paying it off with a bang. Imagine seeing a movie about Green Lantern and feeling emotions other than boredom! If only.

 

I just want the GL that argues with Green Arrow.