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  1. Dream-Thinker

    Dream-Thinker Jedi Master star 4

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    Thought up some more headcanons.
    -The Tarinna are a subspecies of the Anzat.
    -Au B'ree is a Devaronian-Sephi hybrid.
    -Vorse Tabarith ends up providing aid to the Uprising. Not out of any love for the Rebellion, but because the Empire is bad for business yo.
    -The Twelve Kingdoms Era is the Star Wars equivalent of the Three Kingdoms Era, with a bit of Game of Thrones thrown in.
    -Prizzi is a Calibop.
    -Blorps are sentient, though their civilization is primitive and their homeplanet hasn't been discovered by the wider galaxy,
     
  2. Mira Grau

    Mira Grau Force Ghost star 5

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    Joke is, logically Bail and Mon Mothma have been political allies of Palpatine right up until the end of the galactic republic. Part of his explicit "loyalists". Them heading the rebellion should have raised eyebrows and cost them a ton of credibility. Also kinda funny how Bail was apparently know to be a rebel amongst the alliance yet the empire still believed him a loyalist to the point of having his daughter work in the senate.... (Not to mention TFU were he explicitly acts rebellious in front of Palpatine with apparently zero consequence...)
     
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  3. K2771991

    K2771991 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The Imperial Commandos in Dark Forces II are part of the Imperial Marine/Fleet Trooper corps (their analogous to the army's Storm Commandos and, like them, operate under the multiservice umbrella of Imperial Special Forces)

    Backdraft is the canon counterpart of Jagged Fel, serving the FO rather then the Empire of the Hand. Meanwhile TN-3465 was his sister Cherith.

    The Vonreg family, although of Altrisian descent, hail from Valahari. Havina Vonreg eventually married (the canon counterpart of) Turr Phennir, with Elrik Vonreg being their child.

    Because so many of his forces came from the Imperial Army, Sander Delvardus's naval forces contained a large number of Acclamator-class Assault Ships. Admiral Galak Fyyar was formerly a part of the Eriadu Authority before joining the reformed Empire after Delvardus's death along with Cronus, hence why he commands what appears to be some form of (massive) assault ship.

    There's a mod for KOTOR II that adds the Darksaber to the game; since Mandalore can't use it since lightsabers are restricted to Jedi I usually give it Mira and just headcanon that the Mandalorian clan she was abducted/adopted (abdopted?) into was Viszla/Vizla:D (Fenn only says that Tarre was the first Mandalorian to become a Jedi, after all, implying others, and the introduction of foundlings into the lore makes it so that one could indeed consider Mira a legit Mando as opposed to just a glorified slave) - it's just too bad there's not a mod that adds Mandalorian Knight armor to round it all out:(

    I'd think he'd be viewed more like Sukarno, Nasser or Tito myself (the guy on the T-shirts like Che would be Saw), albeit with the martyr status of Guevara, the intellectualism of Lenin and (on worlds that had been aligned with the Republic during the clone wars) a reputation somewhere between the kaiser or Olivier Cromwell on a good day (depending on what planet your on and who you ask) - at the very least he'd probably be a polarizing figure, and one whose advocates/advocates of the CIS could easily whitewash by saying "oh, well that's just Republico-Imperial/Jedi propaganda" and "Gunray this, Grievous that..."

    I'm sure Mothma and the other Republic loyalists would balk at how he was seen by some members of the Rebellion, but there would really be nothing they could do about it (or any positive views that might be held regarding the CIS) without alienating people, so at least until the war was over they'd have to bit their tongue.

    Tapani headcanon! What! That was my next stop after my Mandalorian list! You stole my idea read my mind!:p

    Pelagon looks like Caladan from the 2000 Dune miniseries and Obulette looks like Giedi Prime from the 1984 film (I'm actually pretty sure that's not even headcanon, but rather the writers intentions...). Meanwhile their nobility/upper class dress like their Centauri from Babylon 5 (except for their military officers, who go around wearing retro-early-19th Century uniforms like the dress uniforms from Buck Rodgers) and their society resembles that of the Goldenblaum Empire from LOGH (minus the Nazi-ish eugenics), though Tsar Alexander II-style reforms were implemented by Emperor Gorgano IV after House Pelagia took the throne from the Mecetti after overthrowing Empress Brezwalt III during the Great Sith War.

    The Vindicator was a Tapani-class Carrier ("long flat dorsal surface that holds fighters via magnetic clamps"/"raised bridge above the flight deck"), and like the troopship Pelagia was donated to the Rebels/New Republic by House Pelagia.

    In the current canon it's not a given name Zsinj lacks but a surname, and it's not a Fondorian caste tradition but rather a general one of the Tapani cultural region as a whole - because name and status is so important to the nobles those who aren't of noble descent are not allowed the "honor" of surnames.

    Tapani nobles are formally addressed with as "*given name*, di *family name* di *house name*" - for instance "Theus di Praddox di Pelagia" (with "di" being a High Galactic word meaning "of" similar to - and pronounced the same as - the French "de")

    Honestly I always assumed that after what went down on the Death Star Bail was either forced to go into hiding (with his family officially disavowing his actions but otherwise supporting him) or just placed under a purely symbolic "house arrest" by his wife on Alderaan were the Empire couldn't touch him (with Leia succeeding him as senator and Palpatine not really carrying that she was probably involved because he could just use her as a hostage if he wanted - heck, maybe he was the one who "suggested" she take his place).

    This is one of those areas were TFU being in my headcanon aligns well with actual canon though and doesn't involve any finagling - Bail goes to ground after his escape from the Death Star (hence is somewhat ragged appearance in Rogue One) and is succeeded as senator by Leia, who was already of suspect loyalties because of her actions on Lothal (which were what prompted her being sent to Kashyyyk as a hostage/"senatorial observer") but of whom no real evidence existed to frame her as a traitor as of yet (right after TFU the events of Secret Cargo take place, with Mon Mothma going to Dantooine to officially announce the formation of the Rebel Alliance to the galaxy, and it's at Dantooine that Raddus joins the initial "big four" Rebel founding beings of her, Bail, Bel-Iblis and Kota)
     
  4. Dream-Thinker

    Dream-Thinker Jedi Master star 4

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    :)

    I'm planning on writing a fanfic set during the Twelve Kingdoms era, is it cool if I use some of these ideas? (mainly the visual references and the formal names.)
     
  5. K2771991

    K2771991 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Go ahead man, I don't mind; honestly I developed most of the ideas when coming up with my own stuff for some stories I've yet to finish writing (and the backstory for one of my characters on TOR) - and might actually never get around to:p - so at least their getting used.

    Some other stuff I forgot to mention earlier/that just came to mind now (sorry if I got long-winded:p)

    I've always imagined Tapani soldiers/house guardsman having a vaughly WW1 German/Austrian vibe, but with appropriate variety for their society being feudal and the houses having different levels of wealthy, taste and ideology; IMO the ruthless, Bolton-like Mecetti would probably outfit their soldiers like Helghast (with the goggles being ), while the honorable, regal Pelagia would outfit their soldiers like House Varlock's in Dawn of War III (just with no skull masks but rather open-faced helmets with just visors and bound, hanging tassels in their house colors running from the spike and down over their shoulder that invoke the look of a padawan braid), while the militaristic Melantha dress their soldiers like the Death Korps of Krieg. How the other houses would fit into that trend I can't imagine, but the Barnaba would probably have a small parade army of flashy, non-functional soldiers that look like Mace Tyrell started designing armor for the cuirassiers of the Grande Armee but decided that *just* huge horsehair tassels weren't enough and decided to go all out with orange, gold, black and green bersaglieri-style feather plums.

    Building of the style of the Tapani Assault Frigate and Mansk-class Escort Frigates Tapani ships by the time of the three trilogies resemble a cross between Andorian Warships and Centauri Vorchans (the boxey Tapani Carriers would obviously be an outlier here), just with barnish gold-ish hulls that match up with the assault frigates, escort frigates and Manta Fighters (with appropriate livery/insignia for the houses, of course), with interiors that are probably very well-lit and designed with form prioritized over functionality (look at how well-sculpted our hypermatter reactor is and check out the curtains in our officer's quarters - the tassels are imported from Canto and made with real fathier tail hair, you know:)).

    The Pelagia's Star was probably a (heavily-modified) Invincible-class Dreadnaught. I dunno why, but that just feels right to me:D

    Moff Raythe was the Moff of the Freeworlds Territory (relative to Moff Gustavu in the Tapani Sector proper), though the oversector operated more like a vassal state then an actual part of the Empire.

    Knights in the Tapani sector are mainly and long-since honorary by the time of the films, but they originally served an actual purpose - as elite fighter pilots. This isn't a Tapani tradition in origin, though, but rather something that originated in the ancient core worlds as the endpoint of an evolution that started with animal-mounted ground combat traditions and is still seen across the galaxy in the form of Valahari nobles, the Adumar aristocracy and units like the Virujansi Rarified Air Cavalry and the Organa Air Cavalry. Though fighter squadrons in the Tapani sector still retain cavalry-style names and traditions as of the time of the films, but noble-born knights donning vacuum-suits and "charging" each other with squadrons of fighters - while common during the time of warfare that predated the Tapani Empire - fell out of favor when Shey Tapani.

    Most Tapani Jedi, because of lightfoils being so prevalent in their culture, naturally gravitate towards Form II.

    (These next three aren't really "headcanon" so much as just things that, like the naming, I straight-up made up for my own writing, but what the heck, I'll share anyway)

    In my stories I wrote the Tapani nobles as, like IRL real life families like the Hapsburgs and the BRF, often showing signs of inbreeding; genetic defects are common, but are normally corrected in utero, while physical traits are shared across family lines (for instance, the Calipsa family I invented all have lusterless brown hair and ice-blue eyes, save for the main character I used for TOR and in my stories, who has the grey-blue eyes of her Pelagia mother, while a lot of the Mecetti families have pale skin, black hair and grey eyes). The house whose families do the least inbreeding is Pelagia - who often marry into noble houses outside of the sector - while the Mecetti do it the most and oftentimes even just confine it to their own bloodlines.

    The Tapani Empire was allied with the Republic during the Great Galactic Wars/Cold War period - mainly due to being ruled by a pro-Republic Pelagia Dynasty that rose to power after the Exar Kun Wars, but also due to centuries of economic entanglement and stable relations (the two powers were in something of a cold war when the Mecetti were in power) - but they only joined during the midway point of the First Great Galactic War after a "reverse Sixtus affair" where a sibling of the empress-consort (a member of House Organa; I'm thinking a younger brother of Charle Organa - maybe Hallam?) saw smuggled a personal appeal from the Supreme Chancellor to the emperor with the aid of the Jedi. The initial Tapani assault caught the Sith off-guard, liberated Herglic Space, allowed for the creation of stable supply lines between the core and the Minos Cluster - breaking the "Minos Pocket" that had existed almost since the war had started in the process - and gave the Republic a mid-war second wind and, but afterwards their relatively small and technological/doctrinally inferior forces ended up locked in a stalemate defending fixed positions that lasted until the end of the war, with most of their later victories being in space.

    Before lightfoils became a thing, the Tapani used foils similar to bravo blades (which are still carried as sidearms by soldiers), and the dueling culture was already in existence when the transition was made (just not yet a sport but instead used mainly for honor duels). Before House Pelagia took power as emperors and instituted their reforms carrying a blade - let alone owning one - was a privilege restricted to the nobility and could be punished harshly with the removal of the offenders sword hand.

    The Tapani noble families are a big deal outside of the core, but the Elder Houses consider them upstart provincial nouveau riche types (think Vanderbilts and Rockefellers relative to, say, Bourbons and beforementioned Hapsburgs). The Tapani Great Houses don't care, though, because there convinced their better - the other guys might be elder houses, but their not great ones!

    The Tapani Empire didn't have a formal military, with most troops and ships laying in the possession of the houses (in the form of the House Defense Forces), but the Tapani Common Navy and the "Tapani Imperial Guard" - which were the personal forces of the emperor - served as the empire's de-facto military. The Common Navy was divided into two fleet groups - the larger Home Defense Fleet, which was responsible for defending Pelagon and the Imperial fiefs and patrolling the empire's space lanes, and the Deep Space Fleet, which (like the German High Seas Fleet) served as the main battle fleet and contained the bulk of its big capital ships (the emperor was Supreme Commander, but the Common Navy and Imperial Guard both had their own chiefs-of-staff who oversaw their day-to-day operations). During times of war the Great Houses were expected to muster up their House Defense Forces, place them under the (at least nominal) control of the emperor and send representatives to form a "Supreme War Council" under his leadership to coordinate military efforts, though it wasn't uncommon for a weak emperor to find himself given token detachments and/or for fueds to hinder war efforts.
     
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  6. Dream-Thinker

    Dream-Thinker Jedi Master star 4

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    @K2771991 These are all amazing ideas. Thank you for sharing!
     
  7. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    Ok, Tapani headcanon - I think I will be a bit silly with this one: Tapani House Forces make heavy use of walkers in battle, often customized and/or passed down for generations. For some reason, they insist on calling the walkers mechs, unlike the rest of the galaxy (well, except that one world from the comics).

    Non-Tapani ones:

    The Zillo beast the Freemakers ran into on Ord Tellarom was the clone of the one from the Zillo beast arc of TCW. The Republic was using the world as a lab for the cloning, and that is why the CIS attacked. The project was abandoned, along with the world, when the Zillo beast proved to be impossible to control and escaped, rampaging through both forces.

    The First Order ironically ended up using a lot of droids in its occupation forces to make up for its lack of resources, notably including tie droids (upgraded auto-fighters), tank droids, and improved kx models (the first order droids seen in Resistance). Improved, largely automated mining guild crawlers called world devastors serve as mobile refineries and factories to produce these forces where needed.

    That said, the FO still finds itself overstretched, especially as trooper desertion increased and the central communication control ship was destroyed in a daring and bloody attack on Coruscant by the Resistance cooperation with local anti-FO forces. Palpatine's message of return comes right after the mass com jamming goes down.

    General Kalani was actually a major commander in the New Republic ground forces in the last year of the war, and major reason the New Republic uses so many droids in the Mandolorian.

    There were a pair of Liberator class cruisers called the Saw and the Steela, to much controversy.

    During the Imperial purge of Mandalore, many Mandalorians ended up taking refuge on Lothal under the leadership of Sabine Wren. While most of these were New Mandalorian civilians, enough warriors made it to substantially improve the planet's defenses.


    I mean, why not, it is a headcanon after all.

    That would make sense. The Nightbrothers on Dathomir do live on a part of the world that looks very different, down to having a different sky color. Wonder what kind of weirdness could have the sky have different colors in different regions of the planet?

    Ah, brilliant stuff. Absolutely love it!

    That is the most common interpretation, but it just feels kind of weird for me for her to go Empire when her reason for going darkside was her dislike of the Republic becoming more...well, Imperial.

    Being a Paritisan is a nice way to keep that darkness and anger while still having her hate her original target.

    Yeah, that makes sense, and I think the same. Still, we don't much from orbit, or in sight of the capital, so it can feel pretty empty.

    (Also interesting just how much they completely redid their society to service this goal. Like sure they cloned before, including small armies I am sure, but to house, feed, equip, and train a galactic scale army? Their cities would have to been heavily modified for the task.)

    Yeah, that works very nicely and makes a lot of sense.

    And to add to it: the exact composition of the "Five Families" actually varied quite a bit, depending on the time period and who you asked, and while the Black Sun, Hutts, and Pykes stayed constant, other groups joined or fell out with some regularity. The Zann Consortium joined late but did so with a big splash.

    Further crime headcanon: Just as Kanjiklub is made up of former Hutt slaves, the Guavian Death Gang is a splinter group from Black Sun when the Five Families got hit hard by the fall of the Empire.

    That's true, on all counts.

    I mean, it is a civilian cropduster on a farmer's budget. I can't imagine its targeting computer or weapon systems are that high quality.

    Interesting.

    That gives me a rather extreme headcanon - the Swtor Era doesn't actually end with the Sith being wiped out entirely, but rather over centuries the Empire increasingly reforms and its Sith Order embraces more jedi like teachings, in particular spreading the teachings of that one lightside sith from that one quest...yeah not very helpful, I just remember liking it...with the jedi opening up their own rules and teachings a bit and the the Republic embracing some elements of the Empire. Plus lots of fighting with random third faction raid bosses that leads to cooperation. Eventually both sides peacefully reunify.

    Hence why the new sith wars are about new sith, ones who think the merge jedi-sith swung too far towards the jedi and want to go back to the bare roots of the sith code and start over.

    If nothing else, I could easily see the CSA being a member of the CCS, probably its more important one given it was the only one that has been independent since the Clone Wars.

    Well, we hear about them from members of other factions, maybe they are really something like the New Systems Union or New Star Union and everyone else just calls them the New Separatist Union because they have a lot of former CIS worlds.

    Heck, "Separatist Alliance" sounds pretty different than "Confederacy of Independent Systems" so maybe their real name is something else alltogether...still like union though...hmm...like the Union of Free Systems perhaps....

    Come to think of it, Corporate Confederacy is kind of a weird self designation as well...then again, so is New Republic.

    And victory's price apparently mentions that the Sovereign Latitudes of Maracavanya are also known simply as the pirate territories.
     
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  8. Everything outside of the original 6 movies are propaganda, holodramas, or myths
     
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  9. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    Quite the opposite I'd say, we are in Lit here after all.

    Everything TV and Movie is inuniverse Media retelling or fiction. Only Books, Comics, RPG and Guides are factual Canon.

    Lets give credit to the medium that takes care over the one that does often not.

    Besides movies are framed as myth and History a Long Time ago with Crawl and Journal of the Whills. Even TCW got inuniverse News Style Intro war summaries narrated.

    It basically is Canon already like that.

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  10. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    Lightsabers activate in different ways depending upon the inner state of the Jedi. In movies and other media, we see lightsabers snap on at varying speeds. In ANH alone we see 2 speeds. Luke's always pops on nearly instantaneous, much like Cal's saber in Fallen Order. Whereas Obi-Wan's has a more slow extension.

    This is because Luke was somewhat agitated and full of anticipation, and Obi-Wan was calm and focused.

    This also why the snap-hiss varies depending on what state the user is activating their saber in. We see similar differences in ROTS and elsewhere with the same user, same lightsaber. Quick draw versus a slower more deliberate draw.

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  11. like how in ROTS novel Anakin and Obi Wan are stars thanks to the holodramas like the entire galaxy watched TCW or CW 2003 i like the idea that everything maybe is not real and like you say everything will end with the whills
     
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  12. Ackbar's Fishsticks

    Ackbar's Fishsticks Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Pop culture headcanon (having rewatched Phantom Menace):

    Naboo has a thriving kaiju film industry, with a cult following all over the galaxy. Said kaiju are largely inspired by the giant sea creatures living in its depths. The genre began soon after the colonization of the planet, when the planet core was still badly explored and nobody had really catalogued the creatures inside it; but occasional Sando Aqua Monster sightings at sea, and the occasional fossils or washed up skeletons they'd find on land, fired up the imagination of people who wanted to delve into the planet's mysteries. By the time the sea creatures were properly catalogued, the kaiju genre was way too popular to kill with little things like facts.

    Naturally, the types of stories you can tell with this are very diverse, many of them reflecting real-world anxieties. There's a Naboo version of the Cthulhu mythos, where the kaiju are a race of Ancient Ones sleeping below the planet core who one day will rise up and reclaim the surface from the puny humans. There are kaiju antiwar movies, where the fallout from fierce wars on the planet's surface (between Gungans and humans, especially) awaken the kaiju - in this case, the movies may end with an aesop, where the Gungans and Naboo join forces and overcome their differences to defeat the common threat, or sometimes a bleaker one where they refuse to join forces and the entire planet gets obliterated. There are kaiju racist movies, where the kaiju are either masters or servants of the Gungans and their uprising is linked to antihuman Gungan fanatics trying to take back the planet. There are kaiju children's movies, where a misunderstood loner kid makes friend with a kaiju and has to protect it from the humans who don't understand it. There's kaiju high fantasy, with the sea creatures playing a similar role to that of dragons in Game Of Thrones or balrogs in Lord of the Rings. And of course there are kaiju movies about technological anxieties - every time a new technology is invented or introduced to Naboo, we get a slew of movies in which these new technologies awaken the kaiju. The kaiju genre actually experienced a big renaissance a few decades before the prequels, when exploitation of the planet's plasma led to a bunch of movies being made in which the plasma miners delved too deep. And of course the Trade Federation invasion and the later galactic wars gave rise to their own kaiju movies too.

    The Gungans have their own take on all this. They, of course, have their own myths and legends, and scientific understandings, of the underwater sea creatures, that predate Naboo science by a lot - depending on the Gungans, they may even have religious significance. So a lot of them aren't thrilled about the humans turning them into a film industry; there are a lot of accusations of cultural appropriation, cultural insensitivity, or straight-up racism. At the same time, there's also a whole subculture of Gungans trying to reclaim the kaiju genre, making a genre of kaiju movies that conforms to their own cultural views. And of course, eventually, human filmmakers who become fascinated with Gungan culture and try to make their own work about it. Both those last two are a matter of controversy among Gungans - think of Tarantino's fascination with black culture and all the debates that arise because of that. And of course, it becomes a whole thing again after the Empire takes over, and the straight-up racist "Gungan cultists are raising the kaiju to kill all the humans!" movies experience a huge renaissance.

    "Why," you ask, "am I imagining a whole kaiju genre arising on Naboo, when the Zillo Beast of Malastare is right there?" Well, I'm not saying there aren't kaiju genres on other planets, too. But it's fun to think of it arising on Naboo. After all, the Naboo pride themselves on being a quiet and peaceful place where nothing ever happens. And it also strikes me as a very High Culture oriented place, so it's fun to imagine that sort of trashy, low-brow, blockbuster entertainment not only arising on Naboo, but thriving, despite the best efforts of the cultural snobs who run the place.

    ETA: just replace the words "film" or "movie" above with "holoflick." You know what I mean.
     
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  13. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    The Episode VIII scene where Ben and KoR headed to Ach-To potentially happened.
     
  14. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    I still pity that the plans for Arabian styled turban-filled Eriadu never got followed up on. Seems we got other cultures in the gffa that took on that trend though. But the fun of seeing Tarkin with a turban aside, him as a representant of such a culture would have been nonfitting and odd indeed.

    Therefore canon's redneck Eriadu with hunting prowess and all like the Tarkin family does evokes an entirely different theme. Eriadu is industrial polluted cityscape and swatches of green jungles filled with rednecks, hunters and survivalists.

    Eriadu is a culture that wishes it was Kuat, the sophisticated Core World that has jungle and industry side by side without much pollution and galactic influence and importance. But it fails epically and pollutes its world while hunting the jungles dry while they still exist. Redneck Eriadu basically is Trump's ideal America complete with buffalo man.

    One can't blaim Tarkin that he came from that rock in the rim and tried to do better, even getting himself a fake Core accent and manors to the point of being more Coreworlder than any Coreworlder in the Core would ever be (much like wannabes often over-impersonate their idols). And with that he spawned a new doctrine and order and high human culture that predated him but took him in as rolemodel and lead thinker.

    Funny that a man from the Rim became a rolemodel Coreworlder, accent, posture, slippers and all. Only to have his new ideology reform his homeworld and streamline the rednecks into... well rednecks with Imperial chic.





    You know, I know imagine a scene simultaneous to the Crait faceoff of Luke and Ben. At the same time he is projecting himself, the Knights arrive at Ach-To closing in on him all the while he is keeping it up and they have to face apparitions, ghosts and other Force tricks defending deep trance Luke who is unmoving in the air above his rock.

    Alternatively, I could see the scene as rumored for TLJ happen but in TROS actually, when Rey is back on Ach-To with Ghost Luke after her duel and healing of Ben.
    The Knights could theoretically pick up Ben from the Death Star crashsite and with him track his Tie she took to Ach-To before she destroys it there. Conflicted/redeemed, Ben plays along still sorting himself out but got no lightsaber anymore. When they descend on Ach-To, Ghost Luke watches as Rey has to fight the Knights alone. Ghost Luke watches from afar on one end, Ben on the other. While it looks as if he is in command of them, he does not want to jojn them against her anymore but they do not know that as he watches unsure if he should help her actually. Fun moment between him and Ghost Luke ensues out of sight of Rey and the Knights where they talk. Then Ghost Luke intervenes and scares the Knights off who do not even wait to pick up Ben as they rush back to Exegol with news of Lukes Ghost around. Next the movie scenes continue with Luke helping Rey to lift the X-Wing and repair it so she can take off as well. When she is gone, Ben comes out of hiding and talks with Luke some more and they together repair the burning Tie-Fighter which he takes soon after following Rey to Exegol. (I know the Tie he arrives in is a different model, but I don't care! I like the idea)
     
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    Dream-Thinker Jedi Master star 4

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    All of this talk of Imperial rednecks makes me think that Valin Hess is from Eriadu, given his southern accent.
     
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  16. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    Amazing stuff, absolutely love it.

    Gets me thinking along a different track though - all the wondrous and dangerous wildlife of star wars makes me wonder about the kinds of nature documentaries they have in star wars.

    Like, would anyone dare travel the planet's core to study and record the deep sea monsters of Naboo, or would that be far too dangerous to be worth doing?
     
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  18. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    The Starbird symbol as as old as time and has seen many incarnations. One might say it is the galaxys oldest recurring symbol and tied to many myths and many stories about its origin.

    Some claim it is a bird with spread wings like a phoenix, others tell of it being no bird but a star dragon and yet others see no animal in it at all but a spaceship, a rocket lifting off into the sky leaving behind a cloud of fire it is riding on, or many other interpretations. Some even see it like a stylised holy ancient being with spread arms and a wide cloak to shelter the innocents and guard them from harm. Be it an ancient Chosen One depicted stylized in front of a planet like Tython with its two moons Ashla and Bogan, or be it a representation of the galaxy split between the forces of Ach-To and Exegol. There are many more interpretations and myths about it and its many origins that coalesced into one modern symbol.

    The true origin though, lies in between all the stories. In something supernatural and far more ancient. The hidden holy geometry of the Starbird symbol and its ratios and elements hides a deeper truth only inducted disciples may hope to one day figure out. Originally it also was not just one Starbird symbol but actually its shape was filled with lines, circles, dots and arrangements that spoke even more of its true origin and purpose in a world between worlds revealing the overlaid elements and symbols that together formed and revealed the Starbird only.
     
  19. Ackbar's Fishsticks

    Ackbar's Fishsticks Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    "Trump's ideal America" wasn't really a concept yet when I read the Tarkin book, but the thing it immediately called to mind was Andrew Jackson, which isn't entirely unrelated.

    You have an elite guy who's raised in a comparatively frontier environment, with a family that drills darwinist and supremacist mentalities into him (the whole "would you serve an alien?" conversation), but at the same time he knows his home isn't the kind of "bright center of the universe" that other places are, and that he isn't at the very top of the galactic picking order the way elites in those places might be.

    So you end up with a guy who has a massive superiority complex and a massive inferiority complex all at the same time, disdaining the aliens and plebs beneath him as inferiors, while also disdaining the Core World elites as effete and decadent and unworthy of having the top spot.

    It's no accident that Palpatine would take him under his wing so quickly. It's not even a matter of "Mid Rimmers on Coruscant" solidarity (though he knew Tarkin would respond to that). It's more that rising up through Mid Rim politics, Palpatine has probably seen this sort of frustrated second-tier elite a million times before, and knows exactly which buttons to push to get them on board.
     
  20. Ackbar's Fishsticks

    Ackbar's Fishsticks Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The other interesting thing about Tarkin is... While he's raised in a frontier environment, a lot of that is artificial. The plateau where he and members of his family go have their Coming Of Age rite isn't really reflective of life on Eriadu; it's something that one particular family of toffs has preserved so that they can all go be "hunters and survivalists" just like the people in an earlier age. As near as we can tell, most people on Eriadu live just like the ones on Coruscant, just with more pollution and crappier living standards.

    Tarkin and his family aren't actually Davy Crockett/Daniel Boone types - they're big city oligarchs rolling in offworld connections, for crying out loud - so much as modern-day LARPers who've watched way too many cowboy movies and fetishize a past that, at best, probably wasn't anything like they imagine it.
     
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  21. Ackbar's Fishsticks

    Ackbar's Fishsticks Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I imagine people probably did it, but in large, well-funded, well-resourced expeditions with lots of specialized equipment. Anyone playing Steve Irwin probably came to a quick end.


    Never actually heard of that before, and I love it. Totally see it fitting in well with Naboo kaiju flicks.
     
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  22. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    Lets see how he would fare in a real jungle with real threats... how about Haruun Kal?

    As for the big city types LARPING the hunt to give them the feel of being powerful. That is what Kings did for ages to show off and pretend they rock while lots of servants had to fake their success. Rich folks playing Jumanji does not make them any supersurvivor.

    At best they look like Putin riding a bear topless... at worst like Kim Jong Un pretending to have a Death Star.
     
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  23. Ackbar's Fishsticks

    Ackbar's Fishsticks Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I mean, in fairness, Tarkin did do well when he was sent to the plateau, and later on as a soldier (best not to give any thought to all the Tarkin children over the generations who weren't as good or as lucky and whose bones are still there). It worked out better for him than most. And it was much more of a real ordeal for him than it would be for all those kings who, like you said, usually did it all in highly controlled environments with servants doing most of the work.

    But it's still very different from being one of the actual early settlers/pioneers. Those guys, probably including Tarkin's ancestors, would probably look at someone like him and go "rich boy, go home. Is the big modern city not exciting enough for you? Don't you think most of us would trade places with you in a heartbeat if we could? We don't live this way because we're trying to prove something."
     
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  24. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    About Tarkin and his origins and self-image: I do think it important to remember while there is generally a stereotype of core = high class and outer rim = low class (and presumably other regions somewhere in the middle) that is just generally - there are rich and power and well thought of rim worlds, and poor crime ridden core worlds.

    Or heck, even on individual worlds there can be big differences. Like sure, Coruscant is the heart of the galaxy and a sophisticated center of culture and learning...if you are a senator or other rich person living in the top layers. Meanwhile, there are apparently thousands of layers of crowded, dirty, crime ridden slums, plus even parts of the surface that don't seem that great a place to live, and judging from the Martez sisters or that one commander from squadroms whose name escapes me, that Coruscant is nothing more than a nightmare to try and escape from.

    A rimworld posh nob like Tarkin is probably a lot more welcome even in the snobbiest of circles than some poor kid from 1313 as far as I can tell.

    Excellent choice. Can't believe I forgot about them.

    And...*looks closely at it* speaking of kaiju films, I wonder if that thing is a deliberate reference to the Giant Claw...

    ....and now I am picturing a really poor quality kaiju holo where they keep calling it "a bird as big as a star destroyer" Or maybe "cruiser" if it is pre-Clone Wars

    Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

    Honestly I could see there being some heavily armed and armored vehicles and droids for studying the more dangerous creatures of the galaxy.
     
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  25. Dream-Thinker

    Dream-Thinker Jedi Master star 4

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    Here are another batch of headcanons. XD
    -Ripclaw is another informal name for Bolraidas.
    -The Mandalorians have ancient legends describing rainbow comets and mudmen from when the Taungs were on Roon, long ago.
    -Qi’ra is the one who stranded Maul on Malachor.
    -Pirates sing sea shanties (space shanties?) about exogorths and Summa-verminoths.
    -The Trodatome evolved from large worms.
    -After the Battle of Endor, the Forest Moon became more common knowledge, leading to a number of the native species to spread out into the wider galaxy.
    -Related, but when Luke was searching for people to train in the Force, the Forest Moon was one of the places he stopped at to see if the Ewok shamans (Logray, Teebo, Kaink, etc.) would be interested. They hade a debate about it and decided to keep to their own traditions.