ST Do you think more people will warm up to the ST 15-20 years from now?

You know, that makes me feel a little sad, to be honest, because I never once thought RJ was being 'begrudging' towards his non white actors. In fact, I've spoken to several Asian people who were delighted with Rose's casting, and to one who was deeply upset by her treatment in TROS.
I'm also bewildered that people think the central plot of the film was the bad blood between Luke and his nephew. The central plot of the film focused on Rey, who was chief protagonist, and Kylo, who was chief antagonist - just like ESB had at it's heart the conflict between Luke and Darth Vader. Hero/villain.

I think RJ gave everyone plenty to do in TLJ, each had their own story arc - it was one of the things about it I loved. But, each to their own.

 

Or there doesn't need to be a romance at all. thats also an option.

 

Agree. I saw chemistry there at all. Romantic chemistry is what was between Han and Leia. There were three possible options for Rey in the film: Finn, Poe and Kylo. I saw nothing there with none of them. Sure, Daisy, John and Adam had some good performances in TFA. But that did not make me feel there was going to be a romantic thing between Rey and one of them.

To me this is another of the many mistakes by Disney. I had not need to seeing another romance in the ST. Apparently is one of the boxes they needed to tick for the ST to capture the OT feel.

 

Replying to myself because AGAIN Last Jedi is trending on Twitter and AGAIN it's "you're a right wing loser if you don't slobber over TLJ as the bestest SW film ever." I am so freakin' sick of this nonsense.

This right here. Want to know why the ST is a mess? This right here.

 

Just to clarify. I was not meaning that Rian was begrudging towards his actors, but rather the addition of the plots that were not his main focus, which was his Luke vs Kylo story. It feel like he treat these other scenes with less care, because they were of less interest to him.

 

They could have been the only two people in the movie and there shouldn't have been a romance between Rey and Kylo. That Finn was right there and that their connection drove TFA makes it even worse. There is no romance in the ST and it destroys Han and Leia for kicks too, and ignores all the chemistry between the good guy leads for that cliche good girl/bad guy trope, made worse because the bad guy does nothing to try and win the good girl except attempt to kill her and everyone she cares about? C'mon now.

 

I didn't see Rey with anyone after TFA. If she was following Luke's journey, she would train and go solo while fighting evil. But I think they were trying to combine the OT (Jedi journey) with the PT (Jedi journey with star crossed romance) The wheel in the sky keeps on turning. (I had to include that since I mentioned journey so many times)

 

And which of course, was the one they eventually went with.
@PendragonM ...sorry to burst your hate bubble, but TROS was not 'in love with Adam Driver'....he spent most of the first half masked, his character had no dialogue for the last 20 minutes, and after Rey drained his life force he was never mentioned again. Despite being the legacy characters' only heir.

 

I don't think Trans had a supporting role in TLJ. she had a supporting role in TROS. and how i see it. it could be argued Han and Leia's subplot in ESB could be considered a subplot. it doesn't really add anything. its just them running away from the empire while Luke trains. which is similar to TLJ in terms of the characters uses.

Boyega didn't have a supporting role in TLJ either. he was part of his own plot. its just he wasn't part of the Rey plot. which is what people consider the main plot.

 

I know I am very much part of a minority group here, which is fine, as I'm registered disabled and on the autistic spectrum - so I'm a real life minority - but I honestly thought that RJ did everyone proud in TLJ.

Why did Finn have to be Rey's sidekick? He was better developed in TLJ than either of the other films. Apart from the last five minutes he was practically nothing but comic relief in TFA, but once they had left Canto Bight....there was nothing 'funny' about Finn. He was in charge, and he also killed Phasma. He gave the rebels a pep talk, was willing to die for the 'cause' and was established as his own person....not just Rey's sidekick.

I would like to point out that just because I like Kylo and have issues with JB's behaviour doesn't mean I don't like Finn - I thought he was a great character. I thought TROS would see him start a rebellion amongst the stormtroopers which would help end the FO.
Instead that role was given to Jannah, who despite the actor's likeability... was completely unnecessary.

 

FTFY

 

Hard same, ever since TLJ, fandom discourse has been absolutely cancerous and I hate that this is happening AGAIN. I go on Twitter to see a bunch of pompous "intellectuals" pat themselves on the back for understanding basic elements of the movie and compliment themselves for being so progressive by liking TLJ while everyone else is the devil.

Then I come here and get blood-boiling takes about how Black people are over-represented or always play the proverbial "Race Card", how TLJ was actually the best story for Finn and the blacks are just overreacting.

I'm so sick of this ****. I think the ST was god-awful representation for POC overall, and unless these white stans are willing to truly have that conversation and actually take Lucasfilm to task for screwing over their characters and actors of color, they should just stay quiet.

I'm tired of the hypocrisy and licking Rian's boots at every opportunity, pushing over strawmen while ignoring legit criticism, etc.

 

It’s depressing how calling a take racist is considered worse than actually making a racist take.

 

What's that mean?

 

Or maybe people ...Like these movies and we should revaluate what we consider objectively good and bad....

 

Why is calling something racist on this forum not allowed by saying someone is “using the race card” is?

I was specifically referring to early critic reviews of certain blockbusters being uniformly glowing then reviews across the board - audiences and critics - suddenly becoming extremely mixed. WW1984 was another notorious example.

 

I saw the title of a Star Wars movie trending today and I said "heck nah I'm not clicking on that" just like I do when I see things like "baby hitler" or " 'Boomer' trending with 'The Facebook' ". Definitely didn't think that would ever be the case. (To be fair, almost everything on Twitter is garbage. The only Star Wars related accounts I follow are some of the actors.)

 

I wouldn't say I'm a huge fan of TLJ. i have my issues with it like anyone. but its fair to say there are people who like the movie. and it would be wrong for anyone to tell those people they are wrong for liking it. thats the worst most insecure part of fandom to say you are wrong for your opinion because its different from another.

 

The bad news is though that there is a (Hopefully) small but loud continent of TLJ haters who ARE well...Not great people in many, many, many ways, that honestly it's sorta poisoned the well in actual honest discourse about the film and sadly that probably won't go away so long as social media is a thing.

 

Nature of the beast, I'm afraid. SM, like everything, has two sides to it...on one hand it connects lonely people, and be a lifeline for them, on the other it's the perfect anonymous method of bullying. I'm not surprised DR and KT came off it, and that to my knowledge AD has nothing to do with it. There will always be people out there that behave unpleasantly, I was psychologically bullied throughout my school years, and it doesn't do anything for your sense of self esteem.

 

I think that can be indicative of a lot of things.

Maybe some shouldn't assume something about people, like that, based on dislike of a work of a fiction, like that, irregardless of a more negative side existing.

I tend to see the issue, not in how a site is designed, but in how normal humans use it. I think that's the issue, how they choose to operate on it.