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Full Series Mini Series The Inquisitors (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Completed Shows' started by nld3, Oct 13, 2013.

  1. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Force Ghost star 7

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    How old is the Grand Inquisitor by the way, Pau'an can age up to 500 years.
     
  2. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Master star 4

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    The universal you fallacy, eh? Good one.

    They should have just gone with the Son, who the GI was already too close to:

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    Essentially each version of the Pau'ans have lost increasing depth to their facial lines. Why even use the species if they are nearly unrecognizable as Pau'ans?

    @Todd the Jedi people want to pretend this argument is only about new interpretation when many of us could care less about that -- much of the problem is the cheap/poor design quality some attempt to label minimalism. But minimalism isn't a synonym for bad, just less.
     
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  3. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Calm down before we impose nap time for everyone. It was clearly a general usage of "you".
     
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  4. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Force Ghost star 7

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    I think fans thinks about the son appearance too mutch. And Grand Inquisitor looks different from him.
     
  5. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Master star 4

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    Not much. The new GI looks more like the son than he does the Rebels GI.
     
  6. DannyD

    DannyD Jedi Master star 4

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    I think Pau'un heads are sensitive to micro-changes in gravity. It's the only in-universe explanation I'm sure.

    I'm also sure when we see Rupert Friend cruelly kick some ass, we won't care so much about his features.

    (The general usage of "we").
     
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  7. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 7

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    Here are a bunch of different human heads.

    [​IMG]
     
  8. CrazyOldJedi

    CrazyOldJedi Chosen One star 6

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    Who all work at Microsoft.
     
  9. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Then he should have just said that instead of having a go at people who don't. I was responding to his false dichotomy, and his assertion that people are...
    Which is hardly ever the case. It's an insulting generalization that's thrown around as a way to ignore discussion and shame criticism.

    No, thanks. I'll continue to post my actual impressions of what we're seeing.
    Which is not actually happening. Try it without the hyperbole, and actually read what people are saying. If you like it, that's fair. Attempting to mischaracterize criticisms with hyperbole is poor form.

    Todd already addressed this...
     
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  10. Ithorians

    Ithorians Jedi Master star 4

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    Since you ask me to read what people are saying, and its no doubt a good advice, I ask you to do the same. My question was made because when you posted this:

    You sounded like saying that the "sub-standard work" (referring to GI make up) is not an opinion, but a fact, and therefore it must be that this fact is being ignored for the sake of excitement. When someone describes his/her impressions on any matter here, I imagine its safe to assume that the readers are dealing with opinions, not facts. So I wasn't trying to criticize your post, I was just wondering if you considered the possibility that for some people, the "sub-standard work" is not so. And that's what I wrote. Genuine question, referring to the passage from your post that I had quoted. That why I phrased it as a question, and that's why I didn't quote other passages of previous conversations.

    The criticism to the make up has more than once come from the fact that the head is not elongated enough, the lines are not deep enough, the skin texture isn't right. These are traits corresponding to what some seem to expect form a correctly shaped Pau`an head, and it makes sense indeed, because it matches Tion Medon to the letter. I posted an image of a design from ROTS that doesn't share any of those characteristics as closely as in Medon´s design. The Pau`an warrior looks closer to the Grand Inquisitor than to Tion Medon, under those parameters. So I was stating, just as others members have before and after me, that it is possible that there isn't just one way to look like a Pau`an.

    I clearly understand that some people are disappointed by the execution, more than the concept. That's absolutely fair enough. But I was addressing something else: the criticism that is based in the idea of matching Tion Medon´s characteristics with defining a "real looking" Pau`an. And that's what I wrote about.
     
  11. DannyD

    DannyD Jedi Master star 4

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    An actual, sensible explanation for the difference between head sizes of Tion Medon and the Grand Inquisitor.

    Of course, we are talking about how the same character's appearance has changed and I think the change will be even less of an issue when we see the show.

    I wish I'd used those smiley human heads for my silly joke about gravity. (Are all humans archetypally smiling because of this line-up? How dare anyone be different! ).
     
  12. Darthvader1975

    Darthvader1975 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Which is hardly ever the case. It's an insulting generalization that's thrown around as a way to ignore discussion and shame criticism.

    No, thanks. I'll continue to post my actual impressions of what we're seeing.



    Ive highlighted this response to me from a previous response. By all means criticize away what we are seeing but as much as you're entitled to that some of us are also entitled to post about the general negativity posted towards a character that has so far been only seen in trailers for the show. Its more important for me that the GI, who despite having Darth Vader in it, is probably the main villain, that he acts the way hes been portrayed previously. I want the character to be written properly and despite the fact his look doesnt tick all the boxes for some, acts like the GI should. If he does then thats a major plus for me. We all still know who he is by how he looks......
     
  13. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 7

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    I think aesthetics are critically important for Star Wars. In fact, I think they are essential. It’s highly visual mythic storytelling, and I believe its success from the beginning has more to do with brilliant design than it does with narrative. So I don’t scoff when people express concerns in this arena - including for the Inquisitors. And if you’re a creative type, these things can make or break a show or movie for you (I’m that kind of person). In this case, I just happen to appreciate the design. Fits my perception of a Star Wars aesthetic well enough, even though I would have personally made a few different design decisions.
     
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  14. Darthvader1975

    Darthvader1975 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Yes Star wars is built on aesthetics, look and feel perhaps more then most franchises but how a character behaves is also important.
     
  15. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    In this instance I do have to wonder if LFL really put the proper effort into convincing Rupert Friend that surgery to reshape his skull would have produced more recognizable results.
     
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  16. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 7

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    Apparently Rupert Friend declined, citing "work-life balance." Typical millennial snowflake.
     
  17. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    You mean the toy image you posted? My apologies, I thought you were kidding. If we're basing the quality of character design on what a toy looked like, then we're using different standards. I'm basing it on the only Pau'ans that we've gotten a good look at, which is these guys.
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    Only one of whom looks exactly alike Tion Medon, but they give a clear example of the design George chose for the species, in a live action setting. As Todd said, variations are expected, but this is more than a simple variation. Again, it's fair for anyone who likes it, but when comments start popping up that mischaracterize or attempt to belittle/insult those who criticize it, then that raises my ire.
    Yes, it's an opinion, but the point was that the suggestion of "negativity for it's own sake" can be countered with "liking something bad just because of excitement". That's why these kind of pot shots should be left out of discussion. Otherwise, it's fair game to "return fire" when "attacked".
    If the three above were willing to make the sacrifice, then I don't see why Rupert should object. :)
     
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  18. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Superninja of Future Films star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    I also think it’s entirely possible that the Grand Inquisitor looks different because of his corruption in the dark side. Look at Palpatine. Doesn’t look anything like a normal human.
     
  19. CrazyOldJedi

    CrazyOldJedi Chosen One star 6

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    The G.I. is probably a Southern Pau'an.
     
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  20. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I definitely agree about that white skin being a sign of dark side corruption. But the rest I have a harder time believing. Dark side corruption is usually just shown in the skin and eyes.
     
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  21. Django Fett

    Django Fett Force Ghost star 5

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    It would be insane to think that there is only one race in the Pau'an species, but this is hardly a new argument for this franchise.
     
  22. clone commander bossk

    clone commander bossk Ostrich Velocity Expert star 5

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    He's a pau'an, just a lazily designed one. It's a pity, but it's true. Case closed.
     
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  23. Krueger

    Krueger Chosen One star 5

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    Let's just say he hails from a different part of Utapau and call it a day. I do admit that they clearly went for a more subtle approach to his design, a bit like with Ahsoka's head tails, and maybe could have gone a little more “out there”. Artistic license and all that. It happens. I'm willing to look over things like that.
     
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  24. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, this is space fantasy, not Intergalactic Anthropology. Consistency of design, and a certain standard of prosthetics shouldn't be treated like an unacceptable ask.

    And I should point out that stating things like "Dark side corruption" and "Different races of Pau'ans", as a reason for the different design, is an admission that this design does look quite different than Pau'ans we've seen before. We all just have different reactions to this difference. Some like it, some don't. Nothing new about that.

    Thank you for this point. I have no problem at all with those who don't mind the difference. I just don't like the rest of us being treated like we're imagining things, or insane for not immediately liking or accepting the redesign.
     
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  25. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Force Ghost star 7

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    Grand Inquisitor is cross breed of human and Pauan, there easy.:p