Mini Series A Vader vs Kenobi duel between eps 3 & 4 - Does it breaks canon?

Does Darth Vader and Obi-Wan dueling between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope break canon?

Please discuss.

 

I think this is an important discussion so I hope the moderators keep it a separate thread from the general Obi Wan discussion.

No, I don't think it breaks canon. "When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the Master" does not necessarily have to refer to their master/student relationship but their overall understanding of and command over the force, and also their dueling skills. And it's Vader speaking from an arrogant perspective. And there is obviously going to be another confrontation. A quick bit of dialogue between the two during their next confrontation can set things right. Like, Obi Wan can simply say

"You still have much to learn" in a mirror to Episode II where Yoda schools Dooku.

Or Obi Wan can simply defeat Vader again in lightsaber combat, clearly demonstrating that Vader has more to learn to defeat a Jedi Master of Obi Wan's caliber.

 

I believe canon is more fluid now, that it can pick from legends and retcon as it pleases. I think if storytellers are to have freedom, we will need to view canon as what the main story is and characters must fall in prism of who they are, but details can change that aren’t defining and orthodoxy; i.e. some lines in a duel can be reinterpreted.

 

Could a mod please give this the orange Kenobi marker?

 

Why would it break canon?

 

No, it doesn’t break canon.

 

Not at all.

 

Nope.

 

It might change the way we view their ANH encounter from here on out- but I feel like that duel feels anticlimactic compared to ROTS- I feel like their final encounter should capture that scope of energy and emotion.

I don't think that Episode 3 of Kenobi succeeded in that, but maybe that's me being greedy.

 

We also need to wait and see how the rematch goes in a couple episodes time.

 

It doesn’t break canon. It creates new canon.

 

Maybe this isn't the last time they duel in this series though!

 

They are 100% going to duel again by the end of this series. And it’s going to blow everyone’s socks off!

 

“When I left you” doesn’t mean “when we last met”, just like…for example, when someone says when they left their ex-husband, or their ex-boss, it doesn’t refer to the last time they saw each other.

It can instead refer to him leaving Obiwan for the dark side, aka ROTS, where he was still the learner since he got his ass kicked.

“Now I am the master” can be Anakin referring to how Obiwan lost the last time they fought, and/or it can refer to how Anakin believes Obiwan is going to lose now.

And anyways, the entire PT “breaks” canon all the time (we’re just used to it now).

 

I don't think so; in fact, it could potentially enhance Kenobi's words in ROTJ.

I think they need to square off one more time before ANH for Kenobi to try and appeal to any remaining humanity or hope that Anakin has left. It would really put a strong emphasis on Obi-Wan's belief that Anakin is "more machine now, twisted and evil".

Because for those words to make true sense in every aspect of them, Kenobi would have to know and feel that Anakin is more machine. Because before this series, as we know, Obi-Wan's last vision of Anakin was him burning on Mustafar. He may of seen Vader's image on the holonet in the comic's, but only the true appreciation for what Anakin has become is to see him in person. And Anakin wasn't a machine on Mustafar in ROTS.

So another battle enhance's Obi-Wan's words with his true belief that Anakin cannot be saved.

 

To me it doesn't..but I can see why people may think that.

Then again, TCW and in a much pleasant manner, Fantastic Beasts taught me to chillax about canon. At the end of the day is about how one chooses to assimilate the new information presented.

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No. I want to see how Obi-Wan tried to reach out to Anakin as Vader mentioned in RotJ.

 

If one rigidly sticks to their own head canon where in said head canon, a re-match cannot happen, then nothing will make this series ok, nothing at all, it is impossible.

If one is open-minded and is happy to see what we get before making a judgment, then no at present it does not break canon.

At this point in time, we do not know how this ends, so a judgement cannot yet be made and I personally am really excited to see where it goes.

 

No, I don’t believe canon has been altered because of the events of the new show, but having said that; I live a canon free life, and it’s liberating. No faceless cooperate shills or tweeting story group twerps are going to tell me which narratives I’m supposed to follow. Nor do I need smug YouTube ‘lore’ aficionados mansplaining to me why Glup Shi*to is an integral part of the GFFA. That might be a slightly different topic, but it’s kinda related. So yeah…sod canon, and everything it represents.

Fight the power!

 

I think a more important question is "Does this re-match add to the character/saga story in a meaningful way?" And in this case I think it does. Like, IMO the ROTS-ANH transition for these characters works fine as is, but the ANH confrontation really isn't quite the satisfying follow-up you'd want for these two characters after the entire PT. Seeing Obi Wan react to what Vader has become, how he processes the events of ROTS, and how Vader seeks revenge fleshes out these characters in new ways that I think really adds to and rounds out the overall story.

 

I gotta say, Kenobi received a burn of the soul from Owen, “like you trained his father?” and then by Vader literally. Owen and Vader truly are half brothers.

 

I think yes it does.

''When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master!''.

How can you say Vader was the learner from their last fight? He beat Kenobi.

Obviously Kenobi should've bested him instead, so Vader can remember it as a learner, not as a master.

The only way to fix this Kenobi and Vader duels again, and Kenobi beats Vader like he did on Mustafar. So Vader can remember it that he was the learner.