Mini Series A Vader vs Kenobi duel between eps 3 & 4 - Does it breaks canon?

I don't think the movie statements in ANH are vague.

If it was vague then the novel and other EU novels wouldn't clearly say Vader and Kenobi met for the first time since RotS. They clearly said they didn't see each other in many materials new and old. The writers of those materials didn't just decide to make ''hey lets say Obi-Wan and Vader didn't see each other since RotS, even though its vague, why not we can make up important things like this''.

This is similar to Lucas saying Maul died in the movie and EU materials (except for 2005 Visionaries comic book) didn't resurrect Maul until Lucas told them to do it. Because it wasn't vague until 2012 The Clone Wars resurrected Maul.

Lucas now sold Star Wars to Disney, just like Lucas can decide to bring Maul back, Disney can decide to change many things about Vader and Obi-Wan just like Lucas changed many things before selling it.

I think the main difference here is that they never said Maul died or not died in AotC and RotS movie, while there are statements in the AnH movie, and I think they need to remove those lines or change the lines in my opinion. Because its not vague.

Even Vader waiting that Ben arrives then says ''I've been waiting for you Obi-Wan, we meet again at last''

This is a very strong line in my opinion that you can feel this is the first time Obi-Wan seeing Vader since RotS since he become full cyborg.

Also I can easily refute this argument about, ''Oh that RotJ line about Vader being twisted and evil make sense now''. Kenobi dueled with Vader in ANH he has seen enough to understand the Sith Lord's powers and what he has become in his new Vader suit. That ANH duel obviously taught Kenobi everything he needed to know. If not he already knew Anakin killed younglings from the records, Obi-Wan has seen that Anakin killing younglings, he doesn't need to know anything else.

 

If I wrote this show, I would be making sure those lines of dialogue from ANH could be used in context of this show... Maybe they still will.

 

Interesting, Vader is still learning from Kenobi. He continues to learn from his old master, even as an enemy.

 

No. And I approve of that being the first option, as it is objectively the correct answer.

 

The ANH duel has been retconned off and on since The Empire Strikes Back. Originally the Vader and Ben dialogue was between a Jedi Master and his former student who had killed the Master's Jedi Knight friend. This was later changed to the former student and the murdered Jedi friend being the same person. Later in the ROTJ novelization their last battle before the ANH duel happened in a volcano, where Vader fell into lava. This was later changed in Revenge of the Sith to a whole planet covered in rivers of lava, but where Vader was instead set on fire. And so on, so forth. Retconning, clarifying, and adding and erasing further details to these two crazy kids and their relationship is pretty much a Star Wars staple. I think this series has potential to actually remove some of the vestigial wonkiness from the ESB and prequel trilogy retconning.

 

Yes, it breaks canon.

This entire series breaks canon.

I don’t care though and I still want to see it happen.

 

Alters. It alters canon.

 

It ENRICHES cannot..

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BECAUSE it cannot.

 

I've accepted so much retroactive crazy stuff at this point - Anakin's powers doubling since he last fought Dooku the week before, Anakin having a Padawan that somehow never comes up during RotS, Darth Maul getting cut in half and walking it off with robot legs, Owen somehow telling Anakin he shouldn't leave Tatooine and "get involved" even though they barely know each other and only met after Anakin became a Jedi etc. - that this doesn't even seem like a big deal.

 

It’s dangerous referring to movie novelizations and EU books. Time and again they are over written. Thus far the movies and TV shows are the only content that has not been overruled. That said the content of the movies and tv shows has been reinterpreted and modified by past events.

 

Oooooor he has told Ben, in-between ROTS and ANH, that he thinks Anakin should've stayed and not gotten involved. Ben is the one who's telling Luke this, after all.
As far as I'm concerned, that's the only remotely sensible reading of it since Episodes I-III were released.

 

"I am altering canon. Pray I do not alter it further."

 

Retcons are great ideas not thought of earlier!!!

 

Retcons are part of the Star Wars DNA, and they're not inherently bad. I accept it the same way I accept there will always be differences between novelizations and movie versions, because the medium is different.

 

There's nothing to modify and reinterpret about Vader being the learner means Vader beats Kenobi instead of losing to him.

I understand people likes Vader and defend this. I can relate since I also defend the idea that Maul was resurrected but I believe Vader vs Obi-Wan dueling again after RotS, especially with Vader winning it is clearly harder to defend. Its hard to spin the narrative that what Vader being the learner means.

And Vader literally tells him ''when I left you'' Vader left Obi-Wan since RotS, then they dueled again years after RotS and then Vader left him? It doesn't make any sense.

As well as Vader telling Obi-Wan that Obi-Wan's powers are weak since Obi-Wan is old in ANH meaning that Obi-Wan was stronger when he wasn't old when he faced Vader. Spinning this to another direction is also hard.

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/obi-wan-kenobi-leia-disney-1235160356/

 

Can or can not. There is no canon.

 

I thought it was a given, I'm surprised people thought otherwise. I enjoyed this fight a lot with that in mind.

 

exactly, as someone who has read hundreds of Star Wars books and comics, this is the word, they are literally known as the Expanded Universe, it’s about expanding on existing stories, it’s not about replacing or negating them, it’s just simply about expanding on what has come before, the only difference here is that we’re getting these expanding stories in live action

and believe me, I’ve read plenty of bad Star Wars books and comics

 

Clearly, Darth beating up Obi-Wan was absolutely what Kennedy had in mind when she talked about "the rematch of the century." It's the only explanation.