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Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Completed Shows' started by Jedi Knight Fett, Nov 16, 2014.

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Which unfinished story arcs would like to see fully animated in the future?

  1. Darth Maul – Son of Dathomir

    37.8%
  2. The Bounty Hunters arc

    40.1%
  3. Ahsoka arc 1 – Ahsoka's Walkabout

    21.8%
  4. The Yoda/Kashyyyk arc

    23.7%
  5. Mon Cala arc

    15.3%
  6. Ahsoka arc 2 – Ahsoka's Return to the Jedi

    28.6%
  7. Dark Disciple

    32.1%
  8. Rex and R2-D2 arc

    17.6%
  9. The Siege of Mandalore

    53.8%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Sudooku

    Sudooku Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah! Go for it! Who doesn't want to see that crucial scene in the cave of Dagobah, where Luke is confronting a vision of the late Darth Bane.

    Yoda: "At Moraband convey me - you couldn't. How fallen to turn now on such inexperienced trainees, as Luke is - you are?"
    Bane: "Well, with Zannah, it worked."
     
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  2. Jedi Master Chuck

    Jedi Master Chuck Jedi Master star 2

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    I do wish we had gotten canon Vong before Lucasfilm was sold. Whether that storyline was explored or not, we could have at leas said with certainty that they exist in a George Lucas approved form.

    I do agree the Kashyyyk arc s the most dispensable of the unfinished arcs being discussed here. I'm more interested in the Yoda part of the story than the Bad Batch. And I believe it's partially animated, but not entirely sure. Cad Bane / Boba, Utapau, and Dark Disciple I are in rough animatic form. Dark Disciple II and Son of Dathomir would require more work but would also be the biggest draw. Honestly, those 20 episodes would be enough for me.
     
  3. Jedi Master Chuck

    Jedi Master Chuck Jedi Master star 2

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    lol I meant Cad Bane
     
  4. Jedi Master Chuck

    Jedi Master Chuck Jedi Master star 2

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    I could also see it pitched as two additional 12 episode seasons of 'lost missions':

    Season 1
    Boba Fett / Cad Bane
    Son of Dathomir
    Dark Disciple I

    Season 2
    Kashyyyk
    Dark Disciple II
    Utapau

    Each season, like season 7, contains 8 episodes with some work already done, and 4 episodes that weren't at the animatic stage yet. The first season has Son of Dathomir and the second has Dark Disciple II.

    The first would have the Bounty Hunter arc and Dark Disciple I, both of which were already in the animatic / voice work stage.

    The final episodes of seasons 6, 7, and really 5 all felt like they could have been series finales in a way. All three times the show 'ended', it felt like there was closure in that last episode.

    So even though these would be 'lost missions' set in between earlier episodes of the show, they are still re-opening the book in a way, so ending at an arbitrary point would somehow feel wrong.

    That's why I would place the Utapau arc last. Season 2 also contains the Yoda-centric Kashyyyk arc which was suggested to contain some spiritual / Force elements similar to Mortis and his arc in season 6. Dark Disciple II wraps up Ventrss' story. Utapau is the last arc which heavily focuses on Obi-Wan and Anakin, takes place on a planet central to Revenge of the Sith, and alludes to the construction of the Death Star, the site of their final meeting / duel.

    Maybe they could write a new ending sequence to the episode to make it feel a bit more final - maybe a short flashback involving Rex and Ahsoka.

    It could never have the same emotional impact as the end of season 7, which was the perfect end for the show - and chronologically, that will of course remain the endpoint of the series. So, nothing is taking away from that. But there is something to be said for the fact that getting more Clone Wars of any kind means that final shot from 'Victory and Death' will no longer be the final image put to screen from The Clone Wars era. So, the only thing I could think being worthy enough to 'replace' that as the last moment, is one centered on Obi-Wan and Anakin. In a way, Victory and Death, really the entire Siege of Mandalore story, while it of course involves Obi-Wan and Anakin, is centered on bringing closure (in The Clone Wars era) to Maul, Rex, and most importantly Ahsoka. So, I think you could rework the end of Utapau to also give us closure for Obi-Wan and Anakin.

    In a sense, that's what all of these episodes represent. The Bounty Hunters arc is the end of Boba's arc in The Clone Wars era. Dark Disciple is the end for Ventress' story arc, which doubles as a final curtain for Count Dooku as well. Kashyyyk was meant to continue Yoda's arc from season 6. Utapau, Obi-Wan an Anakin. Son of Dathomir, Maul and Talzin.

    I know it's unlikely, but if I were to wish for any completely new story arcs, it would be one involving Padme, reworking her axed storyline from Revenge of the Sith. It would be pretty cool to see her trying, but failing to negotiate an ending to the war, beginning to recognize Palpatine's duplicity and thus, working with Bail Organa and Mon Mothma laying the groundwork for what would later become the Rebellion. I actually have an idea for a multiple part arc that would involve almost every character from the show - and would become something a bit bigger in scale than the typical Padme-centered political stories.

    I will also add that finishing those 24 episodes and adding one epic 8 part brand new final arc would give the series exactly 166 episodes if we include the Movie as a single, very long episode.
     
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  5. Jedi Master Chuck

    Jedi Master Chuck Jedi Master star 2

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    I will also add that there might now be some continuity things that need to be adjusted because of the changes made in season 7. In production order, Son of Dathomir was meant to come after Ahsoka's walkabout. But now, Maul is already free from Sidious in the Martez sister arc, which means Son of Dathomir needs to be placed earlier.

    Padme is also now pregnant in the Bad Batch arc, which means it's taking place during the Outer Rim Sieges. I don't know if that causes any specific issues, but Echo is part of Bad Batch in the Kashyyyk arc, which means it would need to take place after Bad Batch, but before Son f Dathomir. Probably not an issue, but it does now need to take place close to the end of the war during the Siege of the Outer Rim. If memory serves, Dark Disciple I and II would have taken place on either side of Son of Dathomir, after the Walkabout arc. I'm not sure if Dark Disciple would also need to move earlier.

    There shouldn't be any issue with Bounty Hunters and Utapau, both of which take place right after season 6.

    Based on production codes the order of seasons 6 / 7 and the unreleased arcs was as follows:

    1. Fives / Order 66 Arc
    2. Clovis Arc
    3. Jar Jar / Windu Arc
    4. Yoda Arc
    5. Bounty Hunters Arc (Unreleased)
    6. Utapau Arc (Unreleased)
    7. Ahsoka's Walkabout Arc
    8. The Bad Batch Arc
    9. Dark Disciple I Arc (Unreleased)
    10. Kashyyyk Arc (Unreleased)
    11. Son of Dathomir Arc (Unreleased)
    12. Dark Disciple II Arc (Unreleased)
    13. Siege of Mandalore Arc

    The other four arcs would likely have taken place between Dark Disciple II and Siege of Mandalore:
    1. Rex & R2 Top-Gun Arc
    2. Sith Temple / Ahsoka's Return to the Jedi Arc
    3. Yuuzhan Vong Arc
    4. Padme / Mon Cala Arc

    As mentioned, none of these were beyond the conceptual phase. The Yuuzhan Vong story can be repurposed anywhere and might be mre interesting in a post-Return of the Jedi story. Or, it could even work as a story arc in a show set between A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back. The Sith Temple story no longer works because Ahsoka can't see Anakin between the end of season 5 and the end of season 7. Parts of the story have already been repurposed through the World Between Worlds. The Sith Temple on Coruscant is canon and can be explored at some point in the future. The Rex and R2 arc seems like it would've been fun, but we've still got lots of Rex and lots of R2 throughout other Star Wars media and it doesn't seem like it would have been integral to either of their character arcs.

    The Padme arc probably would've been larger in scope than simply returning to Mon Cala. As I said, I would like to see a final arc involving Padme's efforts to lay the groundwork for what would later become the Rebellion. But maybe something a bit different.

    I think given the changes made to the Martez Sister and Bad Batch arcs in season 7, the Dark Disciple and Son of Dathomir arcs would need to be reworked to take place between seasons 6 and 7. Kashyyyk could still take place between Bad Batch and Siege of Mandalore. Maybe Dark Disciple wouldn't need to move, but I believe the first part of Dark Disciple is supposed to take place before Son of Dathomir. Might be easier to just move all three:

    1. Fives / Order 66 Arc
    2. Clovis Arc
    3. Jar Jar / Windu Arc
    4. Yoda Arc
    5. Bounty Hunters Arc (Unreleased)
    6. Utapau Arc (Unreleased)
    9. Dark Disciple I Arc (Unreleased)
    11. Son of Dathomir Arc (Unreleased)
    12. Dark Disciple II Arc (Unreleased)
    7. Ahsoka's Walkabout Arc
    8. The Bad Batch Arc
    10. Kashyyyk Arc (Unreleased)
    13. Siege of Mandalore Arc

    The last three arcs as they stand already have a lose sort of story to them. It might not be that interesting for the Kashyyyk arc to directly follow Bad Batch, but given Echo's involvement, I don't think it can be placed earlier. If they were to add any additional episodes, I would say, maybe an arc leading up to the start of the Outer Rim Sieges, placed either right before or right after Ahsoka's walkabout. Then, maybe a Padme centered arc set between Kashyyyk and Siege of Mandalore. The two arcs could even be directly related, like Dark Disciple I and II. I think that might make the final seasons flow really well:

    1. Fives / Order 66 Arc
    2. Clovis Arc
    3. Jar Jar / Windu Arc
    4. Yoda Arc

    5. Bounty Hunters Arc (Unreleased)
    6. Utapau Arc (Unreleased)
    7. Dark Disciple I Arc (Unreleased)
    8. Son of Dathomir Arc (Unreleased)
    9. Dark Disciple II Arc (Unreleased)
    10. New Arc Part I, Start of Outer Rim Sieges (NEW)

    11. Ahsoka's Walkabout Arc
    12. The Bad Batch Arc

    13. Kashyyyk Arc (Unreleased)
    14. New Arc Part II, Emphasize Anakin and Padme's separation; Padme, Bail Organa, Mon Mothma (NEW)

    13. Siege of Mandalore Arc

    Maybe something like that.

    I really want them to chose projects, both theatrical and on streaming, which serve as connective tissue, weaving the films / shows together to make them one, big, epic narrative - not an assortment of random stories. That's what we're seeing with Mandalorian, Ahsoka, etc.

    Perhaps the new arcs I've suggested thy add in the Clone Wars era could even start to plant seeds not only for the post Episode VI story, but also for a post-Episode IX story.

    I'm very much of the opinion that, regardless of personal feelings about the quality of the sequel films, they're now part of canon and need to be better integrated. I also think the somewhat ambiguous / wide open ending of Rise of Skywaker hardly feels like a conclusion to the 'Skywalker Saga'. Thus, I think in order for them to really move on and tell new stories, they need to first make Episodes X - XII. We need to see a new Jedi Order established and functioning properly and a new working Republic, completing the Cosmogonic Cycle as George intended before the saga is complete. What I'd hope to see in Episodes X - XII is an attempt to tell the Whills story George Lucas intended for Episodes VII - IX. Rey and her new order can be at the center of the story; Anakin and Luke are both still viable as Force Ghosts, or, in the case of the former, perhaps something a bit more interesting, given that he was and still is the 'chosen one'.

    We could see them starting to build a new Jedi Order with Rey, Finn, Ezra, Ahsoka, Grogu, perhaps Sabine if she is indeed Force Sensitive. Lots of cool ideas to make the new order something interesting. George wanted Maul to serve as the villain in his sequel trilogy, but perhaps it can be Plaguies, now that Maul's story has wrapped up in Twin Suns.

    So, the reason I think these missing Clone Wars stories are so important goes beyond wanting to see cool Star Wars stories on screen. I think they're important to offering one continuous viewing experience from start to end. You should be able to start viewing at Episode I (or I guess in the prologue stuff like the Acolyte) and finish at the end of the Skywalker Saga with one long, epic tale told across numerous shows and movies.

    That's why I really think we need to see through either a show or movie what happened to Maul, Qi'ra, and Crimson Dawn. I'd also like to see event series like Obi-Wan Kenobi with Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford reprising their role set before The Force Awakens.

    The Luke series could show us Luke's academy, Ben in training, and the subtle influence Snoke exerted to slowly turn him to the dark side.

    I'd imagine the Han Solo series as 'one last ride for Han, Lando, and Chewie'. Perhaps an old score is settled from Han's past after he returns to his smuggling ways, which results in his losing the Falcon. I could even see it told Godfather Part II style, cutting between Alden Ehrenreich and Harrison Ford. The bulk of the action could be centered on young Han. Maybe could double as the Solo sequel / downfall of Crimson Dawn.

    I posted this idea on Reddit, probably 2+ years ago, but I really think they should ignore the whole 'Rey's father was a Palpatine clone thing'. Or at least, emphasize the fact that he was raised as Palpatine' son as a sort of cover family. Personally, I think it would be interesting if they could also retcon Qi'ra to be Rey's mother (would add more weight to her scenes with Han). I know Jodie Comer playd the part in Episode IX, but she didn't even have any speaking roles and frankly, it's not much different from Leia 'remembering her mother being sad', which couldn't possibly have been Padme.

    Imagine, Palpatine's 'son' and Qi'ra, unwilling agents of Sidious and Maul, falling in love and being escorted to safety somewhere in the outer rim by selfless Han, who in so doing brings ends up being boarded by the Imperials and is forced to jettison cargo belonging to the Hutts. Rey would then be daughter of Qi'ra and Ben, the son of Han. I know, everyone in Star Wars is even more connected, but as proven by everything George chose to do with the Clone Wars, that's kind of the point. The characters in Star Wars are interwoven by the thread of destiny. It's the will of the Force. And that very aspect of the Force is what George wanted to explore in the Whills storyline.

    I'd also love to see the event which finally crosses over Mando, Ahsoka, etc. to be a reworked Heir to the Empire storyline involving de-aged Luke and Han... not entirely sure how they should handle Leia. It would certainly be a different take on the story from Zahn's novels, but I would try to keep the spirit of the story intact. The big changes of course come from the fact that Din Djarin, Boba Fett, Ahsoka, Rex, Hera, Ezra, Grogu, Greef Carga, Sabine, Bo Katan, etc. are likely to play important roles. But I don't think you can avoid Luke, Han, Leia, R2, 3PO, Chewie, and Lando being involved in a big event set 5 years after Return of the Jedi. I'd love to see this being the big crossover / culmination of all the shows - where we finally see the OT heroes teaming up with the TV series characters. Maybe, instead of a film, we see an event series with the scope / length of Andor's two seasons. I would also canonize Mara Jade and introduce the possibility Luke has a child. Doesn't need to tie directly into Rey's new order or anything like that. But a Cade Skywalker like character could be interesting in a story set in the distant future as a support player, not a main character. I imagine a story set in the distant future wouldn't be part of the 'SKYWALKER SAGA', so a Skywalker set in a story set in that era wouldn't be the main protagonist, but I think that would make him even more interesting - a lineage which was once chosen to save the galaxy / universe, no longer carries that responsibility. The mantle has been passed on to others. So, a character from that previously chosen / elite lineage in a new era would be really interesting to explore. Luke never got married in canon, but that doesn't mean he never loved. Even Obi-Wan once loved Satine.

    Sorry, I know I'm getting a bit off track here, but I just see Lucasfilm spinning its wheels a bit, trying to get out of the ditch from the sequels, which aren't all bad, but definitely introduce some narrative / thematic issues for the Star Wars saga which a random assortment of shows / movies won't fix. I do think we need to see stories set in all parts of the timeline, but I also think they need to be working together toward something. And I think that goal should be Episodes X - XII being the big return for theatrical Star Wars. I love Taika Waititi's films, but after Star Wars films taking such a long hiatus from the big screen, I think they need to return with something huge. Something monumental.

    I know they want to move on and tell new stories with Star Wars, maybe set hundreds or thousands of years after Rise of SKywalker. But I think the Skywalker saga itself needs to go out with more of a bang first. Use the remaining Clone Wars arcs, Bad Batch, Tales of the Jedi, and the Filoniverse set after RotJ not only to setup the events of VII through IX, but to go beyond them into a final trilogy of Skywalker films, completing George's vision.

    Projects, I would personally like to see... In chronological / timeline order:

    1) Animated series about young Obi-Wan and Qui Gon (not necessary, but I loved the Jedi Apprentice YA novels when I was younger)

    2) Animated series about young Anakin and Obi-Wan between Episodes I and II

    3) Clone Wars unfinished Arcs listed, with maybe the new arcs suggested

    4) Bad Batch increases in scope as it progresses to involve characters like Ahsoka

    5) Obi-Wan Kenobi season 2

    6) Solo sequel / Crimson Dawn story (maybe combined with Han Solo event series set before TFA)

    7) Animated series set between IV and V (not necessarily, but would be cool)

    8) Heir to the Empire Adaptation / Filoniverse crossover

    9) Luke & Ben Solo Event series

    10) Episodes X - XII

    After that? Go ahead, jump forward a thousand years to Grand Master Grogu's Jedi Order fighting off an invasion of Yuuzhan Vong. Go back thousands of years to the Knights of the Old Republic, Darth Bane, Darth Revan, Mandalorian wars, etc. Go back even further to the Dawn of the Jedi / formation of the Republic (I would invent a new story; didn't love the comic version of Dawn of the Jedi).
     
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  6. darkspine10

    darkspine10 Chosen One star 8

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    @Jedi Master Chuck, the chronological issues with Dark Disciple mostly stem from the state of the Pykes and Marg Krim in particular. He was created for the Walkabout arc, with the intention of returning in Dark Disciple part I, where he would have been killed off in Black Sun bombing attack. In the original chronology, this was because the factions were warring due to Maul being imprisoned, but the finished Walkabout arc had it retconned slightly with Maul's escape, with a line implying that he was pitting them against each other intentionally as a means of testing their resolve. This line seems to exist solely to match continuity with Dark Disciple and explain why Black Sun and the Pykes were at odds, suggesting a desire to have it definitively set after both Walkabout and Son of Dathomir. However, in Son of Dathomir, Marg Krim is completely absent, being supposed to be dead and all, and his second-in-command Fife is leading the Pykes (he also debuted in Walkabout and is present in the Dark Disciple novel). You could handwave as simply saying that Fife was leading troops on the ground with Krim back at base, but the changed order messes up the intended Pyke hierarchy.

    This all got even more of a monkey-wrench thrown in it when Marg Krim appeared alive and well in Siege of Mandalore! His death plays a rather major part of The Mission (ep 2 of DD part I), so it would be tricky to work around. Unless they retcon it to say that it's just Fife wearing Krim's hat in Siege :p

    The 'Pykes dating controversy', to borrow a term from the Doctor Who fandom, is rather intractable. On the one hand you have Maul free in Walkabout, but you have Marg Krim meant to be dead in Dark Disciple, definitively set after Walkabout, but Son of Dathomir has a dead Marg Krim as part of its status quo, and it's all just a mess as it stands. The easiest thing to do would be to place Dathomir before Walkabout and the rest, and fully clarify the leadership situation, but then you'd also have to deal with the Marg Krim death debacle. Maybe they could kill of Fife instead, though that tarnishes the subtle detail that he's the smarted Pyke in Walkabout and thus in line to replace Krim, and there's no truly satisfying resolution if you really focus on the details ;)
     
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  7. Jedi Master Chuck

    Jedi Master Chuck Jedi Master star 2

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    Son of Dathomir would seemingly be the easiest piece of the puzzle to alter since animation hadn't started yet. I'm guessing the best solution, as you suggested is to retcon / clarify the leader situation. Marg Krim can't be dead, so maybe it's Fife who was killed. Maybe they could do something similar to Hondo's subordinates staging a coup?

    You're right about the Dark Disciple timeline as well, so it does need to follow walkabout. And Son of Dathomir now needs to come before.

    So, I guess it would go:

    1. Fives / Order 66 Arc
    2. Clovis Arc
    3. Jar Jar / Windu Arc
    4. Yoda Arc

    5. Bounty Hunters Arc (Unreleased)
    6. Utapau Arc (Unreleased)
    7. Son of Dathomir Arc (Unreleased)

    8. Ahsoka's Walkabout Arc
    9. The Bad Batch Arc

    10. Dark Disciple I Arc (Unreleased)
    11. Kashyyyk Arc (Unreleased)
    12. Dark Disciple II Arc (Unreleased)

    13. Siege of Mandalore Arc

    This would solve the issue of Kashyyyk directly following Bad Batch since it's sandwiched between Dark Disciple. Kashyyk breaks up Dark Disciple so that the eight episodes aren't directly consecutive and allows for the passage of time. Dark Disciple II is probably a better lead-in to Siege of Mandalore than Bad Batch as well.

    And Son of Dathomir coming right before Walkabout is rather fitting as well.

    So, if we're just reworking what we've already got, this might offer the best solution.

    If there were a new Padme / political arc like I suggested (just wishful thinking), I would probably set it between Utapau and Son of Dathomir as the start of the Outer Rim Sieges; Let everything from Son of Dathomir forward comprise the 'Outer Rim Sieges' part of the story.
     
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  8. Sudooku

    Sudooku Jedi Master star 4

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    Not by Han IMHO, because when Maul is still alive and in power, Han's and Qi'ra's love memory is likely to be still too fresh to be overwritten by a new love and Han is present. But Enfys Nest could do this job - she has stong motives to help the couple. And Palpatine would rage if he ever found out his son is working for Maul! [face_rofl]
     
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    Jedi Master Chuck Jedi Master star 2

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    That's a really cool idea as well. I like it a lot. I really would love to see Enfys Nest's role expanded through future stories, so this would be a really interesting angle.

    I also thought it would be interesting if Obi-Wan and Ahsoka had an indirect hand in bringing about the downfall of Crimson Dawn. Maul implied it was Vader and Sidious that were the direct cause of his undoing.

    We know Scarif was the first major victory for the Rebellion. But imagine they had an earlier opportunity to take down Palpatine. The fledgling Rebellion would invariably depend on organizations like Crimson Dawn. So imagine, they're planning a major strike right at the heart of the Empire being coordinated with Crimson Dawn and the Rebellion. Bail is planning to even call Obi-Wan, Yoda, and any other survivors out of hiding. Maybe we could finally see Luminara for example - and find out how she was captured by the Empire.

    But intelligence finds out Maul is head of Crimson Dawn at the last moment and the Rebels have to decide whether allying with another Sith to take down the Emperor is worthwhile.

    Some, like Mon Mothma and Bail Organa vote no, but Saw Gerrera and the radical Rebels still want to join with Maul. This leads to the fracturing of the Rebellion. They give up their chance at eliminating Sidious, but they do the right thing by not backing Maul's play.

    Without the full support of the Rebellion and scattered Jedi survivors, Crimson Dawn is outmaneuvered and Sidious / Vader defeat Maul. Could give us a really cool duel between Vader and Maul.

    This would have to take place between Obi-Wan Kenobi and Rebels. Maybe this could be the storyline for Obi-Wan Kenobi season 2? Perhaps, Ben is the one who discerns Maul's involvement. This could also be how Maul learns that Kenobi is still alive before he meets Ezra.
     
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  10. Force Nexus

    Force Nexus Jedi Knight star 3

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    As much as we would all love that, I don't think it's gonna happen.

    I don't think Disney allowed TCW S7 out of kindness. They were the ones who cancelled it in the first place. It's not their show, it was created before them, and they mainly want to make their own stuff. I think there was an ulterior motive behind that decision: The Bad Batch arc turned into a full-fledged show of their own, and The Siege of Mandalore set up the relationship between Ahsoka and Bo-Katan, which was a plot point in The Mandalorian Season 2, as was the Siege itself. So they allowed Filoni to do that. Filoni himself said that he doesn't really want to do TCW without Lucas, because it was his show, which is perfectly understandable and I fully agree with him.

    Even if it's not the same, The Son of Dathomir comic and Dark Disciple novel are as authentic as possible to the original arcs, even if in different mediums.

    I wouldn't hold out much hope for any more The Clone Wars branded content. Season 7 seemed to be pretty deliberate about its finality. I am pretty confident in saying that it's time to let go.
     
  11. Cad_Bane's_Hat

    Cad_Bane's_Hat Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Depending on what Disney has in store for Maul, Son of Dathomir seems like a pretty important plot point that is worthy of being portrayed on the screen. And the bounty hunter arc gives us a lot more context about the relationship between Fett and Bane in TBOBF. I can understand not wanting to do the project without Lucas, but wasn't the whole point of that partnership for Filoni to understand Lucas's vision and carry it on?
     
  12. Sudooku

    Sudooku Jedi Master star 4

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    I really don't see the point why it is so difficult to end a show, somebody else has started, after taking over the heritage. And why Disney wanted to have Lucas out of everything so eagerly? I mean, they have their own new shows now. What attitute is that to just cancel a show because it is not Disney from the scratch?
     
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  13. SeparatistFan

    SeparatistFan Jedi Master star 3

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    At this point I feel like Son of Dathomir and Dark Disciple need to be made to preserve the canon of those arcs. There have been a lot of retcons in recent years showing a lot of disrespect to books/comics that were meant to be “canon”

    Also one of the arcs that were not has been retconned - the Padme/Mon Cala/Senator Tikkes arc would have featured the murder of Nossor Ri, but that has since been retconned in one of the comics.

    Ventress was considered to appear in Resistance which would have messed up Dark Disciple, thankfully she didn’t, but if that arc doesn’t get made soon I fear they will retcon her death and she will suddenly show up alive in either the OT or ST era.

    I agree it would be nice to see some more original (written from scratch) TCW arcs, my top choices would be a Separatist centric arc featuring the CIS council and an arc focusing on a team up of some of the more obscure Jedi.

    I also feel like they could do another interesting story with the Trade Federation, I mean Lott Dod was killed in the war, but we have no idea how. I’d like to see how the Trade Federation officially left or were booted out of the Republic. Plus it’s always a pleasure to see Viceroy Gunray and I feel like it’s a bit ridiculous we never saw Rune Haako animated either. Since it would be a political arc why not add Sly Moore as well I mean it was weird just having Mass Ammeda with Palpatine.
     
  14. Sudooku

    Sudooku Jedi Master star 4

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    Actually I wouldn't mind Ventress' survival of TCW. She shows up already as a cameo in the Freemakers series. Dooku shouldn't kill all his padawans except Qui-Gon and Savage, who were left for the other Sith of time. But such a heartbreaking end is very difficult to retcon. It is not like those minor details from the Ahsoka novel retconned.

    I still see your point and I wish those really crucial arcs with already sequel stories in Rebels and beyond to be put into animation forever!
     
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  15. cwustudent

    cwustudent Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    This got me thinking. I forgot that, for a time, Quinlan Vos was an apprentice. Among the potential twelve episodes (Dark Disciple I, Son of Dathomir, Dark Disciple II), Dooku is present through-out. Would be a nice finale to his arc, too (before ROTS). With Tales of the Jedi, more so.
     
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    Darth Baga Jedi Knight star 2

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    I think they should just release the lost arcs as feature-length Disney+ specials. It's more content for their streaming service, so what's the issue?

    You could easily market the Sons of Dathomir or the Boba vs. Bane arcs. Even Dark Disciple and the Crystal Crisis will have connections to future Disney+ programming.
     
  17. Jedi Master Chuck

    Jedi Master Chuck Jedi Master star 2

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    It's essentially impossible to maintain the comics and novels 100% canon. There's no real coordination between those authors and thos making the films / shows. The sheer volume of books and comics would quickly become way too overwhelming for anyone to kep track of and quickly fills up parts of the story that would make for interesting movies / shows.

    I really think the tiered canon from before the sale is the only way to really work things. Books and comics are canon... until they're not.

    The stuff put to screen is what's most canon.

    So, as you said, I think to fully canonize those stories, they do need to be made.
     
  18. SWFan052577

    SWFan052577 Jedi Padawan

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    Well, another arc plagiarized by Disney.
     
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    Fredrik Vallestrand Force Ghost star 7

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    SWFan052577 Jedi Padawan

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    It literally was. Taking the ideas from it, but too chicken to use the actual story itself.
     
  21. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Force Ghost star 7

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    Because its post Clone wars.
     
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  22. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod and Loving Tyrant of SWTV, Lit, & Collecting star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Oh curious, the episode guide for Faster says the planet featured there was originally developed for the Boba/Cad Bane arc. Makes sense with it's name being inspired by Sergio Leone.
     
  23. SWFan052577

    SWFan052577 Jedi Padawan

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    See this is the **** I'm talking about. They're just stealing from Lucas, rather than respecting the integrity of his creation.
     
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  24. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    With the two returning TCW characters in the bad batch these two episodes I think the number of characters who origins were in TCW and appeared in at least 2 episodes and weren’t killed off at some point on the show and later appeared in other media is now most characters. Only a few characters that I can think of. Such as some of the clones, but even most of them have appeared in outside material.

    my point being TCW continues to have a great legacy.
     
  25. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod and Loving Tyrant of SWTV, Lit, & Collecting star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah that's kinda how "selling your entire company and any rights and ideas therein" works lol.