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Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by Feelicks, Feb 23, 2013.

  1. jakobitis89

    jakobitis89 Jedi Master star 4

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    Count Von Count > Count Dooku. One, two, three. Three film trilogies, AH-AH-AH.
     
  2. Palpatine is the true protagonist of the Prequels and for me he is the best Star Wars character
     
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  3. Mindless Monster

    Mindless Monster Jedi Master star 4

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    Rogue One is as bland as the other Disney SW films, and if it weren't for the "badass" Vader scene no one would rank it nearly as high.
     
  4. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    No one? Chirrut, K2, Baze, Battle of Scarif, Eadu, Jedha, Saw. Plenty of stuff for people to like.
    Best of the Disney era movies imo. Up there with ROTS, just below the OT.
     
  5. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    The badass Vader scene doesn’t even rank on why I love Rogue One.
     
  6. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Shelf of Shame Host star 9 VIP - Game Host

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    It's a fine scene, if a bit fan servicey
     
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  7. Deliveranze

    Deliveranze Force Ghost star 6

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    Honestly felt RO was kinda bland plot-wise. It's beautiful-looking, feels like a spiritual successor to George Lucas compared to TFA, and the last half hour is very stunning.

    However, some of the character development was rushed to me, and some of the smaller skirmishes on Jedha and Eadu were hard for me to get invested in. Also didn't like Saw Gererra's /the Partisan's role.

    However, hopefully the TV show can flesh out Cassian better.
     
  8. Howard Hand

    Howard Hand Jedi Master star 4

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    Count Donuts light saber fighting style is stupid and impractical. It's a wonder he won any fight
     
  9. jakobitis89

    jakobitis89 Jedi Master star 4

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    I think it's at least partially because Lucas wanted to try and have Christopher Lee do at least some of his own fights, and A) Lee is a trained fencer and B) he wasn't really in good shape or condition to do the more acrobatic and physical stuff anyway. I think it suited his characterisation as this sort of affable nobleman but it definitely stood out for better or worse.
     
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  10. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Master star 4

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    And he was usually replaced by a stunt double with a CGI Christopher Lee head pasted on anyway.
     
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  11. dg1995

    dg1995 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Human Jabba is better than Slug Jabba. At least that actor in the deleted scene of episode 4 acted more like a crime lord than the slug jabba.
     
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  12. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Force Ghost star 5

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    I think you meant slug lol.
     
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  13. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Master star 4

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    Hearing Harrison Ford call Jabba "a wonderful human being" might have been what made Lucas to want to reshoot the docking bay scene with an alien Jabba: adding an amusing touch of irony in keeping with Ford's portrayal of Han.
     
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  14. RolandofGilead

    RolandofGilead Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    As entertaining as the scene was, I don't think it fits into the saga at all. It was the one thing I didn't like about RO. I realize they were trying to show Vader fighting as stylized as Anakin or Obi-wan from the prequels but this is just before his final battle with Obi-wan and there is such a stark difference between the two that it stands out too much.

    At least with the gap between the prequels and the original trilogy you could say that time and injuries took their toll, but Vader was shown going through Rebels like a lightsaber through butter and that was mere days (weeks?) before his confrontation with Obi-wan.
     
  15. Master Jedi Fixxxer

    Master Jedi Fixxxer Force Ghost star 5

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    Agree completely. Also, Jyn effin Erso.

    Also, love your signature. I got TTT, JAT, HOT, JJK, YJK, NJO, DNT, LOTF, FOTJ... but what is DET?
     
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  16. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Dark Empire trilogy
     
  17. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    There were two different things that Han says, when the conversation ends. The other version ends with Han saying that he'll pay him back, not because he has to, but because it would be his pleasure to do so. Lucas just kept the version that he liked due to the irony.
     
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  18. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    But those were two completely different tactical situations. In one, he was facing a horde of peons, none of whom was any real threat to him, and his task was to get through them as fast as possible to intercept the data. Later, he was up against one very dangerous individual, one who had defeated him soundly and left him for dead the last time they met, and he was in no hurry to go anywhere or do anything. It makes sense that his fighting style would be much more cautious in the second case.
     
  19. PCCViking

    PCCViking 6x Wacky Wednesday Winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    And I think even Obi-Wan's goal was different than before. He had intended to get back to the ship, but once he realized Vader was waiting for him, he knew he needed to hold off Vader as long as possible to give the others a chance to escape.
     
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  20. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    Yes indeed, it was a delaying action. The more time Obi-wan spent talking and cautiously moving around just out of striking range, the better for him. And Vader lacked the sense of urgency to end the duel quickly and get back to his duty, so it was a very lengthy, careful engagement. Both of them knew that one wrong move could end it, and neither one wanted to make a fatal error, so their moves were extremely tentative.
     
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  21. Talos of Atmora

    Talos of Atmora Force Ghost star 5

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    The way he fights in RO versus how he fights in ROTS are entirely dissimilar.
     
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  22. Anakin's Daddy

    Anakin's Daddy Force Ghost star 4

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    I don’t like it when Jedi use two lightsabers or when they use them backwards like Ashoka. It looks flashy and cool but I find it makes no sense practically and I find it stupid. Anyone else feel this?
     
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  23. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    That's me with a sword in each hand. If you work at it, it can be a very effective style, and a lot of fun.

    As for reverse grip, I've made a little use of that with knives, but only in certain circumstances, and I never found any effective use for reverse grip with any kind of sword.
     
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  24. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Master star 4

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    A smaller sword can also be used in the left hand for parrying as well as thrusting. Such a sword is called a "main gauche" in Western swordplay, but Japanese samurai also have this type of sword in the wakizashi.

    I agree that a reverse grip is likely to be extremely impractical. Though I've no direct experience myself.
     
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  25. The_Phantom_Calamari

    The_Phantom_Calamari Force Ghost star 5

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    I don't see how.

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    He lets Han jab his finger into his chest while insolently lecturing him, then allows Han to make him look silly by forcing him to spin around to keep track of him as Han walks behind his back. You can see all this visibly irritates Jabba, and he only relaxes when Han offers to pay him extra.

    The original scene makes it clear that Han is taking advantage of his indispensability to walk all over Jabba and show he's not afraid. The only thing the updated version changes is that Han literally walks all over Jabba--which I find to actually be quite clever.

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    Either way, the scene plays the same way in both versions. Han is intentionally flaunting his power by pushing his luck with Jabba and daring him to do something about it, knowing full well that he won't, and doing it all in full view of Jabba's crew. Whether you think the tail-step went too far or not, you're simply wrong if you think the original scene was only intended to make Jabba look threatening. It wasn't.
     
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