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Amph Game Of Thrones (uh i guess it's done now? Edit: No!)

Discussion in 'Community' started by VadersLaMent, Apr 17, 2011.

  1. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Ah, ok, as long as people agree with my mocking. :p
     
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  2. solojones

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    We see that Drogon is pretty dang close to the size of Balerion in the show. Obviously maybe not in the books, but Drogon's head is about the size of Balerion's skull. So I think him being able to destroy stone in the show does track at least.
     
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  3. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    No, not even close it seems. A bunch of people with WAY too much time on their hands did a comparison between the skull, Cersei, Dany, and Drogon to conclude that Balerion is significantly larger. There are even YouTube videos on it, people are nuts.

    And in the books it’s not even close of course, Balerion is supposed to have been big enough to swallow an aurochs or even a mammoth whole.

    Drogon is only a few years old. Drogon was CENTURIES old and grew up in Valyria and Dragonstone.
     
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  4. Darth Guy

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    lol of course people did that.
     
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  5. Iron_lord

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    Most of those were as of Season 6. Isn't the size gap a lot smaller as of season 8?
     
  6. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I mean, if there's one thing I know about YouTubers, it's that many of them love focusing on skull shapes.
     
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  7. yankee8255

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    I‘ve thinking about the ending and how it might play out better in the books, especially given the butterfly effect. A pretty good example is Gendry becoming Lord of Storm‘s End. In the show, they combined Gendry with a second of Robert‘s bastards, Edric Storm. While it was somewhat questionable to have Gendry become Lord, given his almost completely lack of a connection to the Storm Lands, Edric was born and raised at Storm‘s End, and was well liked and respected there. I could definitely see him being legitimized and becoming lord.
     
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  8. solojones

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    I just know in show canon, they never said that only Balerion could destroy castles. And Drogon didn't melt the stone at least... just sorta exploded it :p
     
  9. Iron_lord

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    In Fire and Blood, a point is made of how Vhagar in the Dance of Dragons era is almost as large as the (now deceased) Balerion. And in A Game of Thrones, Meraxes's skull is specifically larger than Vhagar's (Meraxes could swallow horses, Balerion could swallow aurochs (wild cows). Possibly mammoths, but maybe only young mammoths.)

    Conclusion - Meraxes would have been close to Balerion in size. So, chances are, Meraxes could have done the same thing.

    I think all three were used as "castle-burners" in the First Dornish War.
     
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  10. tom

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    maybe we should talk about how viserion took down the wall with ease but couldn't melt one rock that stood between him and jon. :p
     
  11. TiniTinyTony

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    You know what dragons can't swallow? Elephants.
     
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  12. Darth Guy

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    The castle burnings were in response to Meraxes and its rider (Rhaenya?) being killed. It's unclear if the castles were melted like Harrenhal, though I haven't yet read Fire and Blood.
     
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  13. Iron_lord

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    There was at least a 5 year gap between the start of the Dornish war, and Meraxes's death in 10 AC.


    That said, it's possible Meraxes did not tackle any hardened targets. Her target at the start of the war, at least, was Planky Town, rather than a castle.

    In 8AC, Vhagar flamed Sunspear, Lemonwood, Ghost Hill, and the Tor.
    In 9AC, Vhagar and Balerion flamed Sandstone, Vaith, and the Hellholt
    In 10 AC, Vhagar flamed Starfall, and Meraxes was shot down at the Hellholt.

    During the scouring of Dorne after Meraxes's death, both Vhagar and Balerion were used. A point is made that sand at the Hellholt was fused into glass in places from Balerion's breath.
     
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  14. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Drogon got a level-up from the battles in season 7 and took the artillery fire bonus perk.
     
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  15. blackmyron

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    ... you know this is a Star Wars board, right?

    :p
     
  16. dp4m

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    A Super Star Destroyer is 8 kilometers in length!
     
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  17. Ramza

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    Yes, my aggressively negative attitude towards so-called canon is more or less constantly reinforced by that fact, actually. :p
     
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  18. GrandAdmiralJello

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    This is probably what caused Daenerys to go crazy and burn down the city
     
  19. dp4m

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    That at least makes sense!
     
  20. Darth Guy

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    All Targs are Saxtonites.

    "WHAT IS THE POWER OUTPUT OF DRAGONFIRE?"
     
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  21. VadersLaMent

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    "in order to roast hundreds of people and immediately carbonize them into ash, which poor Arya witnesses firsthand, the dragon fire could have reached heights of 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit. We can't know for sure, though.

    "Most castles used limestone or sandstone, depending on whatever type of rock was nearby to be quarried," the Reddit user wrote. "The melting point of limestone ranges from 825 C-1339 C. The melting point of sandstone is about 1,300 C but varies based on density." Clearly, we can't know what kind of stone was available near King's Landing when it was first built since it's, ya know, fictional. But, assuming C stands for Celsius, these temperatures would indicate that a dragon's fire would have to be at least 2,400 degrees Fahrenheit to cut through stone, as we witnessed on the show's most recent episode. That's way hotter than your average oven (375 degrees Fahrenheit for fresh-baked direwolf bread)."
     
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  22. TiniTinyTony

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  23. solojones

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    Told ya guys. A lot of this stuff they worked towards too quickly, but it's probably because they were trying to stay true to what Martin told them the endings were. Not blaming Martin for the rush, that was their decision. But yeah, like I said... I think most of these main plotpoints are ones we'll see in the books too.
     
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  24. Ramza

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    Yeah, my dark theory for the book delays is that Martin also can't figure out how to make this crap work.
     
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  25. TiniTinyTony

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    GRRM says in the article, "...so if nothing else, the readers will learn what happened to Jeyne Poole, Lady Stoneheart, Penny and her pig, Skahaz Shavepate, Arianne Martell, Darkstar, Victarion Greyjoy, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Aegon VI, and a myriad of other characters both great and small that viewers of the show never had the chance to meet."

    So yeah, while the main plot points have been covered in the show, he wants to give these characters their due where the show never did because they didn't exist. So if you're super excited about whomever Penny and her pig are then you're in luck!
     
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