ST I Have A Bad Feeling About This - The "Haters" Sanctuary

It's a story divide for us. That doesn't mean that is the discussion everyone is having. Which is important. We get in our bubbles and ignore the discourse we ourselves are not having.

 

More accurate would be to say its algorithm relies entirely upon controversy and clickbait.

 

This was simply a commentary on the idea that a lot of people who defend every story decision for TLJ seem to make the argument that a lot of older fans don't like it just because Luke died. Which is true for some, but not all. For them to fear the same thing to me is ironic, and a bit hilarious.

 

And the most hilarious thing is that I find TLJ just mediocre. Incompetent in times when it comes to writing.

This movie just doesn't deserve this attention. It's just nothing special. Waste of time.

It's Crimes of Grindelwald. And no one called that movie timless clasic and masterpiece. No one called it the biggest cinematic failure. Because it's mediocre movie.

 

Thank God the future of Star Wars is promising. Mandalorian, Clone Wars S7, Cassian, and Obi Wan. We're gonna need it all to erase this trash.

 

I like when I watch a trailer, and then am recommended 10 videos on how crap everything is. I say I don't want recommendations from that channel, and yet two weeks later, they are there again.

 

I don't ignore it. I commute a lot with my work and I listen to youtube daily. I definitely know what is being said over there. It's not a question of whether people are having the conversation. It's a question of whether they're right. I would argue that they're not. A channel like G&G, with their weird personal vendetta against Brie Larson personally, and their whining about forced diversity like that's an actual thing, do not in any way imo represent why TLJ is divisive. That kind of crap happens with tons of non-divisive movies and shows too, no matter how much the politically obsessed rant and rave that they're the mainstream. The divide over TLJ is mainstream because it isn't political imo.

 

More precisely yes. There is no use in denying that the major critics on YouTube are toxic. They don't however reflect upon the valid criticism.

 

Oh boy, you don't hang out in Harry Potter fandom circles, do you?

 

The Harry Potter fandom has gone through a downward spiral. Ever since The Cursed Child, it's been completely downhill.

 

The sub-forum or thread or oasis of hate-filled sanity or whatever it is just makes me happy.

 

Yeah, I don't know about these two.

 

TLJ is as big as it is, because of all it encompasses. Including the alt-right infecting the discussion of it. Ignoring that, ignores the tactics the alt-right use to gain a following in the first place. Everything becomes a battleground in the culture war, and it does matter, because the culture war is what has 40% of the country good with the President of the United States of America, no matter what he does. Remember the on going, never ending war on Christmas.

 

If you are ready to characterize anyone who drops a non political correct jab at something in TLJ as an alt-right, then I guess you might be able to raise that number to the thousands. I refuse to call everyone who doesn't conform to the fullest with the 100% political correct non offensive manifest a racist, sexist, misogynistic pig, even if I passionately disagree with them. I hate labeling everyone and everything so easily these days, and many times it's done in a manipulative way to gain sympathy.

 

You're correct, but what made TLJ exceptional was how professional critics lined up to give it almost unmitigated praise. The subtext throughout was that they usually celebrated its critical commentary on the franchise, which left the impression that they didn't actually like Star Wars and wanted to see it upturned.

By failing to call it what is was, a middling to bad film, they surrendered the serious criticism to the consumers, opening the floodgates for the lunatic fringe.

 

I dunno. I don't think so. I hate the way these people with overt political agendas try to hijack something that has nothing to do with them to push their agenda. Giving them credibility at all seems undeserved to me. The culture war seems like something that exists in the media more than in normal life. Nobody cares about the War on Christmas in my world, even my MIL who watches Fox News non-stop. It's just something to make jokes about.

I don't even like labeling channels like G&G "alt-right." I have listened to a lot of podcasts with real alt-righters and they are so much more dangerous and important than DBs like the guy on G&G. G&G tried to sell CM as a failure and horribly divisive. No, it's not. That's their fantasy. It made booku bucks, some people loved it, some people shrugged, and everyone moved on. It did nothing to harm the MCU and people generally didn't hate it. In my world, with plenty of people (particularly when there are young daughters in the house), it's adored. TLJ isn't like that. It's genuinely divisive, in normal world, with non-racists and non-extreme lefties or however people want to classify the politics. How convenient that those with political agendas now are being listened to when they credit this divisiveness with their politics.

 

I think the point is that, even as a minority, those toxic elements can't just be pushed aside completely.

 

Nah, I am just going with those that can't help but say cucked un-ironically, complain about the muscle mass of a female wizard, and/or think black people and women can't be Stormtroopers.

Just so I am clear. I am lefty, I love TFA, I don't like TLJ, and if TRoS ends with a kiss, and I might have to cancel my Friday ticket for a second showing.

 

I don't like talking about it. I just want to talk about Star Wars. That doesn't change the discussion people are having about it. Ignoring them doesn't change it.

And I completely disagree with your take on what equals "real" alt-right and the danger of such things. Voices like that are such a problem because of how they gateway people into the more extreme stuff. Don't like your entertainment today? Having this hollow feeling you can't explain? Guess, why, it's because they won't keep the women and minorities in their place in your entertainment, in your country.

TLJ being divisive outside of that circle is real. I am a part of that. That doesn't change how much of the discussion does revolve around it in that very specific manner. It is why the "women-less" cut hit mainstream.

Edit: Goddamnit, another double post. Ugh.

 

I think the toxic alt-right people some of you are talking about can easily be ignored. They represent a very small part of the critics and they should be ignored, and their voice should be silenced. I refuse to even acknowledge the narrative that their influence on the way that people perceive the ST is significant. Last time I checked, I do not hang out with alt-right people, I don't interact with them on any social medium, I don't follow any of them on any website, and I genuinely have no idea where these people thrive by expressing their opinion.

Well those are not thousands. And I agree with everything else you said, though I am kinda indifferent to TFA by this point. I wouldn't say I really like it. Also, seriously, the people we are talking about are only a significant topic of discussion in America. It's kind of weird to me, with connections all over Europe, to actually take them seriously, since they represent only a small part of the world. There are 7.5 billion people on this planet, and we are talking about maybe 100 people on YouTube that have nothing better to do than upload stupid videos to convince people that TLJ is "leftist and socialist propaganda".

 

Unfortunately many do share their opinions. Such is the state of the world.

 

Nowhere near quite as huge......but take a look at the current online discourse, from both sides, about (female) Ghostbusters 2016 vs the new Ghostbusters 2020 trailer that just came out

It’s crazy.

 

Well, they have that right. I am glad that they do. This way we know who to cast aside.

 

Well yes. The point was however that, although they may be a minority it doesn't really help to just write them off as a tiny, tiny minority.

 

The point is that it creates a false narrative, which is actually against the rules of this topic.
Here, we hate. We don't defend the movies, or criticize the haters.