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ST J.J. Abrams (Director Of TFA & TROS) Discussion Thread—Now Finally Discussing: JJ Abrams

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Pro Scoundrel , Jan 3, 2020.

  1. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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  2. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    I wonder what he would have done in his role.
     
  3. Obironsolo

    Obironsolo Force Ghost star 4

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    Here is the actual definition of racism and then reverse racism from the Oxford dictionary:

    racism

    noun
    1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
      "a program to combat racism"

      Similar:
      racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice/bigotry, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, bias, intolerance, anti-Semitism, apartheid

      • the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.
        "theories of racism"

    reverse racism

    noun
    1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a dominant or privileged racial or ethnic group
      "they see themselves as victims of reverse racism"

    It is completely within your right to believe reverse racism is not a thing, but according to the dictionary, it is. Just clarifying that what you are claiming is not a fact, but rather your opinion on the matter.
     
  4. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    And now for something completely different.
     
  5. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I don’t care what the Oxford Dictionary says about racism as its role is to define words in a very literal manner and ignore very important contexts in the field of sociology.

    You obviously prefer to ignore the societal context but I will not for reasons of morality.

    Right wingers and alt-righters who use “statistics” around “biology” to support gender discrimination are doing the same thing you just did, albeit taking it further.

    Women cannot be reduced to “statistics” and the societal impact and structures around racism cannot be reduced to a definition in a dictionary created in a majority white country.
     
  6. DarkGingerJedi

    DarkGingerJedi Chosen One star 6

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    OMG. Oxford Dictionary is only saying that the word exists, and what that word means, not that reverse racism actually exists in society. In fact, their example, if anything, shows how it doesn't actually exist, except in the minds of whiny oppressors of actual racism.

    Please learn the difference between a word existing, and that word having a definition, and whether or not something is systemic to our society.
     
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  7. JoJoPenelli

    JoJoPenelli Chosen One star 6

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    Let’s not feed the alt-right puppets. Block and move on. They’re clearly just weary of hijacking Finn’s thread.
     
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  8. dagenspear

    dagenspear Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Someone seeing themselves as a victim of reverse racism doesn't show it doesn't exist. Even if the example did intend to mean that, that doesn't show it.

    Wouldn't an oppressor of racism, be someone whose against racism?
    Belittling people isn't appropriate.
     
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  9. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Someone seeing themselves as a “victim” of “reverse racism” shows themselves as a perpetrator of whataboutism.

    Yes. Which is why we should all be anti racist. It’s not enough to be “not racist” anymore.

    Also keeping in mind that there is no racism against the race that is in power.

    Don’t minimod.
     
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  10. DarkGingerJedi

    DarkGingerJedi Chosen One star 6

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    Good try, but no. The other poster thinks because words are in dictionaries that means those things have to exist in society. Oxford Dictionary also defines Ghosts, and Magic. Do those exist, just because they have definitions? No. Although, I bet there are people who really do think so, but that doesn't mean it actually does.

    If you, or the other poster, want to defend or prove your erroneous beliefs, you'll have to be smarter than quoting dictionaries.
     
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  11. JoJoPenelli

    JoJoPenelli Chosen One star 6

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    I don’t think this or any ST thread is an appropriate avenue to purport such erroneous beliefs and I hope the mods agree because this BS is both off-topic and creates a hostile environment for fans of marginalized backgrounds.

    YouTube comment sections are there for a reason.
     
  12. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    Can we think in one box at a time please?
     
  13. Obironsolo

    Obironsolo Force Ghost star 4

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    delete no point
     
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  14. KyleKartan

    KyleKartan Force Ghost star 4

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    JJ and Chris giving a good glimpse into the Production of TROS and how it was developed in full appreciation of TLJ and its director.



    The conspiracy that some try to paint here is not there. And JJ doesnt seem unhappy with the movie at all.
     
  15. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    You're seeing JJ Abrams being a professional and acting in a marketing capacity, and taking it as meaning more than what was actually in the film he delivered or what his editors and actors have said once the marketing part was done and the film was out. You're also ignoring the verified breakdowns of BTS issues Episode 9 had from even before he was brought back.

    "Full appreciation" of TLJ would have meant Kylo as the Big Bad, and likely with the same delusional belief he could also be the de-facto doomed protagonist with Rey Random in support of him.

    Instead, LFL rejected the idea of Kylo as a Big Bad, requiring numerous pitches to go away from that before Abrams brought back Palpatine to answer that questions, and Abrams tried his best to fix the story for Rey and Finn without making it undeniable to everyone that TLJ was a collection of missteps and prejudices. And LFL still interfered to handicap Finn's story and likely to continue to push the Reylo story because it favored Kylo. We also saw how the film continued TLJ's floundering around to try and make a worthy external conflict after TLJ neutered the First Order as baddies and the Galaxy as worth fighting over, resulting in a sloppier, stupider Dark Empire storyline.

    It's true they respected some parts of TLJ... which is why the Skywalkers were still doomed and damned by having Ben "The Failson" Solo as their only new member, why Rey still has no believable characterization in scenes where that would lead to acknowledging Kylo Ren's unworthy of sympathy but hate instead, why Poe's still a Han Solo ripoff instead of a Wedge-like character, and why the First Order and Hux are morons. And LFL themsleves ensured Finn was still getting the short end of the stick because they didn't John Boyega to outshine Adam Driver like he had in TFA.

    ...But that's because actually fixing those elements would be too much of a mea culpa for LFL or TLJ fans who would have to face a reality of supporting a film that was sexist, racist, elitist, cynically exploitive of the Skywalkers while also being horribly inefficient and disconnected from them, and that was just a bad entry in any long-form story.
     
  16. KyleKartan

    KyleKartan Force Ghost star 4

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    @godisawesome Calm down buddy. Nobody takes away your hate of TLJ.
     
  17. DarkGingerJedi

    DarkGingerJedi Chosen One star 6

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    Seems pretty calm to me. Would you prefer they all-cap-scream posted their response?
     
  18. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    JJ only wanted the best for us! He only wanted what each of us individually wanted! *grabs JJ* YOU WON'T TAKE THIS AWAY FROM ME!
     
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  19. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    You can’t blame Abrams for the pretense that Rey would find Kylo sympathetic when she clearly did not in TFA.
     
  20. Darth_Articulate

    Darth_Articulate Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Rey finds Ben -- the lost little boy looking for help -- sympathetic in TROS, not Kylo. In TFA, she only sees Kylo. Snokatine bridges their minds in TLJ so that she gets a glimpse of Ben in order to lure her in. It fails and she's back to only acknowledging Kylo, save for those moments when she appeals to Ben in an attempt to diminish Kylo. In fact, she is so tunnel visioned on defeating Kylo, that she kills him as Leia was disarming him. Then she heals him to honor what Leia was trying to do. She realized she got in the way of Ben's return. When Ben sacrificed his life for her, she realized Kylo was gone and the Ben she got a glimpse of returned. Not a noble hero like Anakin, but, again, I lost little boy who finally found his purpose.

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  21. FightoftheForgotten

    FightoftheForgotten Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Dude, me knowing what Adolf H. was like as a child doesn't make me feel empathy for the man he became.
     
  22. Darth_Articulate

    Darth_Articulate Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Hitler knew what he wanted. Ben didn't. Though the consequences of their actions were similar, that's a crucial difference in psychology.

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  23. PendragonM

    PendragonM Force Ghost star 4

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    Oh, you mean Kylo Ren, the fascist betrayer of his family and destroyer of worlds, who rejected turning back to the light over and over, murdered his father and would have murdered his uncle if he'd actually been there, who fired on his mother, who stood by for the destruction of five planets and who, when he finally became Supreme Leader, continued the reign of terror for another year, didn't have a purpose?

    Good to know.
     
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  24. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    Ben knew what he wanted. Because he wanted what all dark siders crave. And thats power. I don't think you will find any dark siders who ain't craving power.

    Problem with dark siders though is that its possible for a nice person to turn evil. Thats the rules of that system. You can be the nicest person in the world. But if they are pushed into the dark, then they won't be that nice person anymore. They are gonna feel enthused with anger, adrenaline and a power itch. Which is probably more likely to mentally and emotionally break you to pull yourself away from the dark side than it would if you just give into it. George lucas himself described it as such.

    Those rules don't apply to hitler. Because there are no real-life mystical forces at work that give you superpowers or can affect you mentally.

    And i know some people don't like that aspect. But its the Star Wars, force, dark side, light side, jedi, sith, ect ect lore.
     
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  25. chris hayes

    chris hayes Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I bet if JJ could go back in time he would have taken on the whole trilogy and get rid of that interloper EP8 and make a whole new EP8 that fits in with TFA and thus creating a new and better EP9.......
     
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