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CT “Adventure – heh. Excitement – heh. A Jedi craves not these things.

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by ExiIe, Oct 18, 2014.

  1. ExiIe

    ExiIe Jedi Padawan star 1

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    - yoda in Episode V. And yet star war always has adventures. why exactly is that against the jedi code? Unless jedi have different brain wiring it would be impossible for a human not to have emotions like that
     
  2. Seagoat

    Seagoat Former Manager star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "Adventure" has a very flexible definition

    I believe what Yoda meant by that is that a Jedi goes out on journeys to protect peace and the people, not for fun or just because they can
     
  3. Among the Clouds

    Among the Clouds Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yoda was referring to self-restraint over recklessness, focusing on the present rather than dreaming of the future, and being calm and at peace rather than anxious and ambitious. Just because people have those emotions doesn't mean they have to always give in to them. It's all about self-control, and how keeping a cool and collected mind will allow you to conquer the dark side.
     
  4. Seagoat

    Seagoat Former Manager star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It's this part especially that I really like; it shows just how much he learned from Qui-Gon as his apprentice
     
  5. NotSoScruffyLooking

    NotSoScruffyLooking Jedi Master star 3

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    Those who want adventure and excitement are usually looking for treasure, glory and the like, which are not Jedi traits.
     
  6. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "Fortune and glory."

    But yeah, Luke was wanting something that was not the Jedi way. He dreamed of a life of adventure which Jedi do no seek. They go where they go and do their best to act selflessly in the pursuit of helping others. Not because they want to show off their Lightsaber skills.
     
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  7. Lt.Cmdr.Thrawn

    Lt.Cmdr.Thrawn Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Compare what Yoda says there with chapter 80 of the Tao te Ching (or really with any of it). There seems to be some similarity. Both are boiling it down to aphorism-status, but I think sinister is right in contrasting 'right living' against a life of deliberately seeking 'fortune and glory.'
     
  8. Ingram_I

    Ingram_I Force Ghost star 5

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    Yeah, I think this one's been pretty much cleared up with all the responses thus far. I might only add that adventure is something that befalls a Jedi regardless, as an inherent result of their life-devotion to effecting the world around them in the name of "peace and justice". To be a Jedi is, in part, to be wayfaring; to constantly find yourself in the path of danger and/or amidst the new and unknown. Adventure is then inevitable. So what Yoda is stressing is the compass of virtue, values and discipline.
     
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  9. CaptainHamYoyo

    CaptainHamYoyo Jedi Master star 2

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    The quote in the topic, you need to look at what was said before it...

    "This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph. Adventure. Heh. Excitement. Heh. A Jedi craves not these things. You are reckless."

    This is in direct reference to Luke's behavior in Episode 4, him wanting to leave the boring life of the farm, to go to the Academy. Craving adventure and excitement is a forward looking action, keeping you from living in the present(where he was, what he was doing)


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  10. Darth Chagaros

    Darth Chagaros Jedi Youngling

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    They are human traits. It explains why the Jedijugend corps exist, so they can shape them into something inhuman.
     
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  11. NotSoScruffyLooking

    NotSoScruffyLooking Jedi Master star 3

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    Lust is a human trait too, but Jedi are expected to surpress it.
     
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  12. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Exactly. To be a Jedi, one must have the most serious mind and deepest commitment. It is a hard life and one with no reward. Luke had desires which is not characteristic of a Jedi. That's part of the reason the Jedi trained those from a young age, so that they would know only a life of a Jedi and they would understand why such feelings are wrong for a Jedi.
     
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  13. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think the important word in that quote is 'craves'. A Jedi doesn't desire adventures and excitement. His or her focus is elsewhere. In achieving his or her goals he or she may inevitably encounter these things, but they are not the focus.
     
  14. SkywalkerOG

    SkywalkerOG Jedi Knight star 3

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    One of my favorite quotes in the saga. I think it's simple when Jedi are on adventures it's usually do to trouble they are trying to stop. I believe luke thinks the life of a Jedi is supposed to be fun and exciting when in reality the Jedi just want calm peaceful life's.
     
  15. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    Yoda was endeavoring to keep Luke from being a thrill seeker. Anakin Skywalker was a prime example of someone who enjoyed adventure too much and look where he ended up.
     
  16. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    I don't think it was Anakin's enjoyment of adventure that put him where he ended up, but I get what you're saying.
     
  17. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Force Ghost star 4

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    As said before, Yoda's just saying that Jedis dedicate their lives to preserving the peace in the galaxy, not to go on wild escapades for fortune and glory. Basically be like Obi-Wan, not Han Solo. Han's decidedly not a role model Luke needs to follow if he wished to be a good Jedi.
     
  18. Darth_Nub

    Darth_Nub Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    As CaptainHamYoyo pointed out, it's not an isolated line:

    He's not really talking about the Jedi not having anything to do with adventure and excitement - he's simply talking about Luke, and how his mentality is not yet in sync with that of a true Jedi. Luke's priorities just aren't right at that point - hence why it's time for Yoda to give him some proper training.
    It's been brought up in other threads, but all of Yoda's 'rejections' of Luke (too old, too reckless) are merely little tests to gauge his reactions and commitment to becoming a Jedi Knight. He never really had any intention of turning him away, he just wanted Luke to abandon whatever romantic ideas he had of what being a Jedi really meant (hence Yoda's first little epigram of "Wars not make one great").
     
  19. darth-sinister

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    No, but it did cloud his reasons for wanting to leave Tatooine in the first place. He did tell Qui-gon that he wanted to explore the galaxy and visit every world that was out there. By the time of the Clone Wars, he was at home fighting in the war because of his abilities and willingness to end the war. He even had the title of the Hero Without Fear during the final weeks of the war.
     
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  20. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    I am aware of all of that. I would be concerned that a child of his age had nothing clouding him before he started his training. The public gave him that title, but he wasn't fearless by any means. His secret wife left him open to fear and he was turned due to that and his lust for power.
     
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  21. theman54

    theman54 Jedi Master star 2

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    What's so hard to believe about it? Plenty of people don't have a great/fun time whenever they have to go around getting in dangerous situations. Not sure what the problem is here.
     
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  22. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Chosen One star 8

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    theman54, you make a point that films avoid: peril is not pleasurable! When people almost get eaten by a Sarlaac, nearly plunge to their death off a cliff, and suffer a plethora of other perils; they are not having a good time!
     
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  23. Rabs

    Rabs Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Indeed. It's a misconception that adventures are fun. There can be elements that trigger excitement but usually adventures are hazardous endeavors full of risk, danger, and often times death.
     
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  24. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Force Ghost star 6

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    Among the Clouds sums it up nicely. Yoda is purposely trying to sway Luke away from the temptations of the Dark Side, he does not want a repeat of Anakin with Luke.
     
  25. Darth Zannah

    Darth Zannah Jedi Knight star 3

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    What he means is that to have the desire to be a Jedi SIMPLY just to go on adventures is not the correct reason for committing oneself to living by the Jedi code...this is a no brainer...a Jedi is the upholder of peace...peace in the galaxy and in oneself...if you want adventure JOIN THE SITH...hehe