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Amph “Let's Fly!” - Star Trek: Discovery [Paramount+/Netflix/CraveTV]

Discussion in 'Community' started by The2ndQuest , Aug 5, 2016.

  1. dp4m

    dp4m Chosen One star 10

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    This entire episode would have been avoided if everyone had a Super Secret Time Travel Password!

    Also, Reno remains the best...
     
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  2. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    Always good to see a Constitution. I hope we see more of this one.

    I'm finding Moll & La'k's backstory singularly unconvincing.

    Between Breen voice modulators and Book's accent, I needed subtitles for a lot of the dialog.

    The epilog dragged on forever.
     
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  3. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    505: Mirrors

    Not as strong as the first few episodes have been this season, but pretty well done on the whole. It's wild that we are finally seeing what a Breen looks like (and what they can look like)- that they're tied to the green glow of the helmets is also a neat detail that helps sell the concept (though I will say that La'ak's behavior makes him feel too "normal"/"human" than the more alien, colder demeanor of past Breen- but they cross that line with a variety angle since we see the others still behaving that way).

    And the angle they took to reuse the other show's standing sets was clever.

    Their backstory is about what I would expect- it's just hard to contain that arc in one episode, let alone in flashbacks. But it feels consitent with everything else we've gotten.

    As or the ship... seems like it would make for a fine Academy trainer ;).
     
  4. Mar17swgirl

    Mar17swgirl Chosen One star 7

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    It's worse than it's ever been, IMO. This is not a professional starship crew doing their job, this is a collection of people with permanently unresolved personal issues which always seem to take precedence.
     
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  5. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    506: Whistlespeak

    This one risked being not that good (the native villagers and the father/daughter stuff has kinda been done too much in Trek, and it's not done much better here than it would have been done in either TOS or TNG; a very basic execution on that angle, in other words), but managed to recover by the end when it's the show doing what it does best and having its crew members problem solving as a team (even if it's with fewer characters). And the transition to that with the race (and a throwback to Tilly's jogging routines from Season 1) was effective and different.

    I was also surprised that neither the titular whistlespeak, nor the acoustic healing, played a greater role in the story or resolution.

    It is interesting, though, that this is clearly being used as a lens to apply to the Progenitor tech and their role in our existence. Much like with the gods and myths of these people, its just adding more things to the story. Likewise interesting that they use the B plot here to simultaneously contrast this search for technological answers of existence with Culber's spiritual awakening.

    Oh, and can't they just repair the other towers before they go? ;)
     
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  6. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    Haven't seen a prime directive conundrum in a while, I guess. I'd rather watch another one of those than more video game fetch quest puzzle contrivances.

    Rayner seems to be settling in, which is good, but he seems to be losing his rough edges, which is making him less interesting.

    Speaking of less interesting, Wil Wheaton's Ready Room nearly put me to sleep this week.
     
  7. dp4m

    dp4m Chosen One star 10

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    The first thing I said to Mav was "Oh, that's reminding me of when they jogged the decks way back when..." -- it was a good callback.

    So, did see a complaint online which I hadn't thought about but which had merit. I don't usually mind the "let's discuss our feelings" side of DISCO since... that's just what the show is at this point... but the article made a good point about Book, which is that he's not a part of the crew; he's never been a part of the crew... every second spent with him is a second not spent with the Discovery crew, which runs somewhat counter to a Star Trek show that's not set on a space station.
     
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  8. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah, I don’t dislike Book as a character, but I’ve never liked the amount of time the series has focused on him in place of other characters. Like you say, he’s not a part of the crew so it makes time spent with him feel like a side plot. Though his connection to Mal and Lok (gotta learn those spellings) works better.
     
  9. Darth_Duck

    Darth_Duck Chosen One star 5

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    Does Cronenberg have a new suit?
     
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  10. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, that episode had some pretty tense negotiations going on there. Pretty effective.

    Though I'm hoping DIS ending in Season 5 isn't robbing us of a Breen War the same way ENT's premature cancellation robbed us of the Romulan War.
     
  11. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    More of Reno is always a good thing.

    I'm still not buying Moll and L'ak. Wil Wheaton interviewed their actors on The Ready Room, but that didn't help.

    Rayner got a little more background. I'd watch a show starring him and Reno.
     
  12. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    To me, it's not that personal issues shouldn't be a part of the story. There's a time and place for that. Just not when there's a clock counting down to imminent destruction.

    Either do an imminent destruction episode, or a talky therapy session episode. Don't mix them in such a contrived and unbelievable way.
    I actually dislike the way the show looks. It has that overly-color-graded sheen that Abrams films have. Rubs me the wrong way.
     
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  13. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian Future Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    I’m loving the season on the main, but I have some nitpicks:

    - Moll? Really? A “hawt chick” criminal, and you name her Moll? While you’re at it, why not have a big strong dimwitted criminal and name him Brute?

    - Speaking of Moll, Starfleet Security needs training. Pop Quiz! Question 1: You have a dangerous and inventive criminal trapped in a forcefield. You also have guns. Do you:
    A) Keep your distance
    B) Walk up to the forcefield with your gun lowered
    Question 2: The dangerous criminal has gotten out of the forcefield. You have a phaser already set to stun. The criminal is within arm’s reach, but is unaware of you. Do you:
    A) Announce your presence, allowing her knock your weapon outta your hand
    B) Just shoot her

    - Starfleet’s ability to track things at warp has always been dodgy. They can detect an incoming state of the art Breen ship, but can’t track a 1,000 year old escape pod? Come on!

    - You’re telling me that a pair of criminals on the run have the tech and problem-solving skills to rival a whole-*** crew of Starfleet’s best and brightest aboard a state of the art vessel sporting an A.I. that is the sum total of tens of millennia of knowledge? Bruh…

    Also, prediction: They’re gonna find the Progenitor tech and either leave it hidden, or hide it somewhere else.
    Again, love the show, have some criticisms.
     
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  14. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    You've obviously never played a Bethesda game.
    "The Time-Dragon will end the world if we don't stop him! Time is precious! We must... what's that, companion? You have unresolved issues with your mother who lives in a city a week's travel away? Let's go!"
     
  15. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    A Burnham centric episode. [face_tired]I-)

    It's the 31st century, and damaged ships still have sparks flying from consoles and big chunks of toasty styrofoam falling out of the bridge ceiling.

    And the big test to earn the last clue was something about caring for people, or was it be true to yourself? Gee, that's deep.

    I'm really disappointed in the Breen. They had an opportunity to develop a whole unique culture and what do they show us? A hereditary empire with competing factions who believe in racial purity and want to rule the galaxy. Yeah, never seen anything like that before. :rolleyes:
     
  16. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    It is a little more complicated than that- what you're describing is this one particular Primarch. It seems most of them have more nuance, even if they have that common aggression.

    You know how hard it is to clean out all that leftover 23rd century tech? Stuff gets everywhere! ;)
     
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  17. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian Future Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Okay, here’s something that has been bugging me for three seasons now: Where are the Klingons?!?
     
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  18. dp4m

    dp4m Chosen One star 10

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    On the overbudget pile?

    Maybe they died out...
     
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  19. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Apparently on the other side of the Emerald Chain:

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    But with that threat ended, I'm guessing they weren't anxious to become involved in events, or were reclaiming territory for the Klingon Zone. In reality, they're probably holding off on dealing with them for both the mystery and to allow other species like the Breen to come to the forefront and better convey that the status quo has changed since the 25th century.
     
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  20. Siphonophore

    Siphonophore Chosen One star 4

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    They're there.... but they're cloaked.
     
  21. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    Arrrgh, why can't people make good scans of the maps? I NEED THOSE MAPS
     
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  22. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian Future Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Okay, but if we can show a Ferengi Starfleet officer, name a starship after a different officer, have a Cardassian as President of the Federation, show a Romulan/Vulcan reunification, etc., then surely the Klingons warrant a mention, yes?
     
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  23. dp4m

    dp4m Chosen One star 10

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    Who? The Tellerites? You keep mentioning this word... is it important?
     
  24. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    Burnham had to get deep within her feelings to solve this week's quest which is very on brand for the show. Been liking the Breen though and they changed their masks so it doesn't look like a ripoff of Leia's ROTJ bounty hunter outfit. I also liked when Doc Cubler was processed by the Tril and said "Wow, this guy works out". There was a fun airdate coincidence on CTV-SciFi when the time jumping episode aired with the Kremin time bug it was bookended by Voyager's Kermin-centric Year of Hell two parter.
     
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  25. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    It's because it's an enhancement of a wide shot:

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    Though there's a slightly closer shot here, the foreground focus makes the background a little more blurry:

     
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