Amph 2023 Oscars (discussion of likely award-winning films)

The Producers Guild awards were a much more even split between mainstream spectacle films that people actually saw and Oscars leaned a bit more into the important serious movies. But Avatar 2, Top Gun Maverick and Everything are pretty cool (and good) mainstream hits, Everything is a bit lower but certainly more than 7 other movies on there

 

I’m down if it shuts down conversations about mediocre movies being considered for prestigious awards, diluting the cultural cache of filmmaking to appease loud Internet fanboys. I’d be fine with just seeing a list of who and what films were recognized. Maybe they could conduct a live broadcast via the Academy’s website instead.

 

The Oscars don't need to be a big network TV event anyway. Who cares what the ratings are. Cut the show budget and stream it on youtube for all I care.

The Academy is more than just one night in a year.

 

nah, people will just repeat this argument every year, making sure they stay relevant.

 

I didn't mean it disparagingly. I'm just saying that the Oscar for Best Picture doesn't carry as much respect these days among moviegoers as it used to. While there are winners which are well-regarded, the majority of them in recent years just don't leave as much of an impression, generally.
My sincere apologies for any misunderstanding I've caused.

 

I know there have been some more obscure films winninf recently, including ones I still haven't seen.

But the issue is you're saying they "didn't leave an impression" just because they're obscure.

Also my post about EEAAO is to point out that it HAS had a cultural impact. If you knew a lot of Asian Americans you'd see this (I know a lot because of BTS fandom and Korean learning connections). But it's had an impact on broader audiences too.

I'm not offended, just saying

1) obscure doesn't mean not great
2) EEAAO is not obscure anyway

 

If Will Smith hadn't assaulted Chris Rock last year, the Oscars wouldn't have generated much attention.

Award shows should generally streamline.
I like the Oscars but I'm not prepared to sit through it given how long it is.
It goes too overboard with sketches & songs and other attempts to be cool instead of just focusing on awards.

It's why I prefer the BAFTAs, you get Richard E. Grant as a host and it only lasts a couple of hours.

 

Very well.

 

See I think this is an example of people confusing The Oscars the tv production with The Oscars the awards.

I have never cared about the skits or the host or the broadcast really. Same with the Emmys, which I used to work at for 5 years. I was there to support the nominees, my fellow TV makers in that case.

They could cut every skit and never have a host and yes that would be fine.

 

The Oscars aversion to mainstream Blockbuster spectacle can get transparently condescending. Last year's trifecta of King Richard, Don't Look Up and Belfast are supposed to be better films than Spider-Man: No Way Home? Horsehockey!

 

Can thanos please snap his fingers again

 

Do you get a meal at the Emmys? There used to be a meal at the Oscars.

 

Not watching the Oscars is a slippery slope that may lead to not paying any attention to celebrities whatsoever.

 

Ooh Best Documentary Fire of Love and Best Live Action Short Le Pupille are on Disney Plus, guess those will be the 2 I watch

 

is Chris Rock presenting?

 

No Mia Goth for Best Actress?

Alas, horror will always be the red-headed stepchild of cinema.

 

@Rylo Ken who said anything about celebrities. I care about the acting categories sure, but not for celebrity status. But most of the people nominated for Oscars, whose crafts like editing and sound and cinematography that I deeply care about, are not remotely celebrities.

Nope. In fact there's no food allowed at the Emmys at all, leading to a looooong day of work without a snack.

Even as an actual invited guest at the Creative Arts Emmys, that was a four hour presentation with no food allowed.

 

Still pulling for that class action lawsuit to materialize.

 

This thread reminded me that Don't Look Up was a Best Picture nominee. Thanks a lot.

 

SAG does do this for their awards.

I'd prefer to see Stunt accomplishments at the Oscars before Ensembles.

 

Netflix paid a lot of money for the nomination.

 

Absolutely need a stunt Oscar. For a long time they have. They have one for the Emmys.

 

Of the Marvel films recently, yes she does. Especially when you consider this is, in the grand scheme of things, a minor character that was pushed to the foreground due to the death of the lead actor. The fact she took that on, channeled that grief into her acting, and killed it? Yeah, I’d say she earned a nomination. It’s hard not to watch that movie and say she wasn’t dominating every scene she was in. The speeches she gives first to the UN and then to the council, are powerful, regal, and emotional. But beyond being the Queen, we get those moments of her as a mother and see the warrior side of her as well. And we see throughout how her grief drives her actions and the results.

It’s actually pretty impressive how much she was able to flesh out this character in really only one film. While she was in Black Panther, her role was significantly smaller. And aside for a blink and miss it cameo in Endgame, we really get everything about Ramonda from this film. And it’s hard to argue that Angela didn’t put her all into the performance. Clearly, this wasn’t the original plan but because she is a talented actress, she was able to step in and really help anchor the film and give it gravitas.

So sure, give her a nomination.

 

A famous acting veteran being better than everyone else in a movie is hardly surprising.

Ian McDiarmid owned every scene be was in when he was in the PT, as did Sir Christopher Lee in most of his movies.
Did they get nominated?

Did Sir Anthony Hopkins get nominated for out-acting everyone in the first Thor movie?



The main problem I have is that a lot of the nomination process doesn't seem very consistent.

 

I have no problem saying Ian did great in the prequels - but that wasn’t an Oscar level performance. Same with Anthony Hopkins really. Both put on something that probably would have rightly earned them Tony nominations were they on stage. But I do think there is a difference between a stage performance and an Oscar performance.

The grief filled speech that Ramonda gave about being the most powerful Queen whose entire family is gone? That was Oscar worthy. Honestly, it’s hard to even say she was supporting actress since she dominates more than half the film.

Now, whether she should win is another matter entirely. But I don’t think there should be any argument that she didn’t earn a nomination for her performance.