30 Years of Expanding the Universe, A Jedi Council event: The Top 100 EU Works RESULTS

Uli, you sadden me. I thought you had taste.

 

I also expressed the opinion that the RotS novel shouldn't have been allowed.

What you've quoted has little to do with my taste and everything to do with everyone else's....

That said, you know how much I liked PoD.

 

I also agree with this statement.

However, being better then a PT film is a LONG way from being the supreme piece of the expanded universe.

Just because we fall over ourselves praising the vast disparity between the awesome of the book to the malaise of the film, we should NOT allow that space to say "well this has to be the best EU, since it's so much better then the film on which it's based."

What this means, in a way NO ONE is considering...is that there are more fans who put the PT in a pre-eminent spot these days. Because to say "well if ROTS novel is so superior to ROTS film, it must be the supreme EU...then logic dictates ROTS film is on par or superior to the other films, OT included. Otherwise, where are the rest of the novelizations on this list? For ROTS novelization to place and the other film's novels not to even rank indicates a passion for this PT piece beyond any consideration of the other films. And since everyone cries out how much ROTS novel is superior to the film...there are in essence saying the ultimate piece of Star Wars lore, film or otherwise, is this book.

Are people really wanting to say that with this vote?

 

i must have missed it... i looked and looked.

dark forces 2 (jk1), 3(jk2jo), & 4(jk3ja) are on the list.

where's dark forces 1? where's the 1996 Codies Excellence in Software winner for Best Action/Arcade Software Program? PC Data's Best CD-ROM Seller? "The 11th best-selling computer game between 1993 and 1999". GMR Magazine's third best Star Wars game of all time. The game that was so popular that it gave lfl the first idea to make video/computer games part of canon.

did i just continually miss it? if so, what number was it?

 

It sucks so much that Jedi Academy beat Dark Forces.

 

Jedimarine, I think what it actually says is, it reinforces the idea that the PT was lousily executed and that the ROTS novel is more how everyone WANTED the PT to be than the kiddie movies we got.

 

But that's just it...are we making a fair assessment with this list if that desire is what is guiding the decision.

"I want everyone to know that I think ROTS novelization is WAY better then the film by making it the ultimate EU novel."

Do we "hate" the ROTS film that much as a community?

 

I didn't vote, but I'd have put the RotS novel high as well. It wouldn't be a "political" choice because I don't bear GL any illwill. I just think the RotS novel comes closest to getting more of the fantasy style that the EU should have rather than the military sci-fi style that Zahn brought to the EU. If it was political, I think you're right it shouldn't number 1 but, if it was an actual opinion I see nothing wrong with it.

The Thrawn Trilogy is the most significant regardless of this poll anyway.

 

If you haven't, please try to go to the EUC and participate in those 30 Years threads too, the current one is dealing with Top 20 EU characters and we need more votes! Thanks!

 

Either the Thrawn Trilogy was in your top 5 or it wasn't on your list at all. That probably had a lot to do with it. For me, it was coming nowhere close to the top 20. People just have such a nostalgic bias towards it that they'll vote it to the top no matter what. In my mind, there is no way that TTT could be made into a film trilogy that would compare with the OT or even the PT (even with all the flack it takes). If TTT came out today, it would probably be the most derided work out there. A clone Luke? A prescient smurf? A redheaded mercenary who upstages Luke at every turn? Sorry, but there's no way those things would fly. I appreciate the story for how it rejuvenated the EU, but come on. It wasn't that good.

 

Well, about 80% of them or so would have to abstain on grounds of not having read the EU, for starters...

TTT would have been higher on my list if A) C'boath wasn't an irritating villain and B) If Mara hadn't been such a clever clogs. It also suffers from a lot of retroactive eyebrow raisers, but that's not really Zahn's fault.

 

Please prove me wrong rather than resort to personal attacks. The book suffered from a major technical issue and therefore should not be number one.

Geez, the Stover affection in this place has gotten even worse that people are willing to overlook the ending of the RotS novel.

 

It would be very interesting to see this poll done in Fan fic where the ratio of Male/Female is the inverse of Lit. The results would be quite different that's for sure.

 

Say what? How is that even close to logical? Let me get this straight: the fact that this novel was well-received but the other novelisations weren't listed automatically means... that the entirety of people's reactions must be because it was a movie novelisation!

Oh, wait. No. Actually, that's the exact opposite of what logic would imply: that, despite its being a novelisation, people had an extremely high regard for what Stover accomplished in the novel - that is, an astoundingly brilliant novel that stands equally well on its own (something almost never heard of for novelisations). Revenge of the Sith was a pretty good movie. Revenge of the Sith was a great book.

rogue_wookiee, consider that your opinion being that there was a significant pacing issue does not make it so. I saw a minor pacing issue, one taht did not overwhelm the sheer artistry of the work as a whole.

Also, I believe the term you used to describe Stover fanboyishness with has been disallowed.

- Keralys

 

I'm more than happy to accept that my sense that it was rushed is not universal. But the page count isn't my opinion nor is the fact that the amount of detail and the depth we get into the character's heads is disproportionate throughout the novel.

And the mods are more than welcome to edit my posts if something is offensive.

 

The length of fight scenes are also very disproportionate throughout the entire novel as well. (see Yoda vs. Sidious)

Oh, wait - that was the "artistry" of the novel.

 

You're just upset Republic Commando didn't make number one, aren't you?

 

No real suprises in the top 10 (from general consensus...call me a heretic, but I don't think I've read any of the new stuff since Survivor's Quest or so) except the Hand of Thrawn duology. Vision of the Future was pretty good, but Specter of the Past seemed to drag. I think that its sad that Dark Forces didn't make the top 100 but Jedi Academy did. Academy had much improved graphics, etc, but the plot is not nearly as cool as Dark Forces. Oh well.

 

Havac, you know me way too well.

 

I think you guys are a bit nuts (Seriously, SOTE? One of the most useless releases of the Bantam era? In the top 20?) but I blogged it anyway.

 

Never underestimate the Power of Nostalgia.

 

::snort::

Fanboys.