Senate Abortion: Why not?

Let me be more direct.

Much like conservative existence that “real” Islam is represented by Osama bin Laden, your proposed classification has no basis in fact, shuts down possible discussion and compromise, and promotes radicalization in favor of they very thing you claim to oppose. It’s a dumb tactic really only employed when people are most interested in stereotyping. It’s tiresome and I wish you would not do it anymore, preferably after apologizing for having done it in the first place.

 

Except it's not, though. The pro-life position is that abortion is akin to murder and should not be allowed by law. That's the definition. Allowing for exceptions either makes the person a hypocrite or a liar. Let's put it this way: I don't believe in the death penalty for anything because it's state sponsored murder. If I suddenly started drawing lines on what's an acceptable form of death penalty and what's not, then I can't convincingly say I'm anti-death penalty.

Same thing here. If you start drawing arbitrary lines on abortion based on your personal morality, then you can't convincingly say you're really pro-life or anti-abortion any longer. It's just an attempt to deceive or seem more moderate, in my opinion. I believe I've been clear here. It's not really splitting hairs so much as pointing out the flaws in such thinking. It's why I said I respect the no exceptions pro-lifers more because, awful though they are, it's at least not trying to put a smiley face on horrible social policy. It's why a lot of awful things are accepted because they seem 'moderate' next to the *******s that are practically frothing at the mouth, but make no mistake: they're both on the same level, they're just a kinder, friendlier form of awfulness.

 

Between fido and bob, this thread is extra.... special today.

 

I'm gonna double-post. Sorry.

The Messiness of Reproduction and the Dishonesty of Anti-Abortion Propaganda

A good read.

Special is how I like it.

 

I've always thought of getting an abortion as a very responsible act.

Just wanted to say it.

 

Even if you didn't use birth control, that's in the past and cannot be undone. A pregnancy can be undone.

The J-Rod types complain about mothers who use government assistance to take care of their children. They call it irresponsible. So how is it also irresponsible to prevent that from happening by getting an abortion?

"Don't have sex" solves nothing. I don't see a lot of guys lining up for abstinence. I don't really see any fuss being made about getting guys to wear condoms. No one cares. No one says anything. All the burden and responsibility is placed upon women.

 

This. Dr Gosnell went down in part because the PA state board of medicine revoked his license. Prosecution happened soon thereafter.

 

Quoted from the article:

"How dare some legislator applaud this monstrous law in public all the while deferring to a doctor’s expertise in private."

This is exactly the situation every medical professional is going to be in for even minor medical issues should these laws be allowed to stand. Physicians will have to ask "can I give this antibiotic, or heart medication, or insulin shot, or could it harm the 8-week old embryo/fetus and I'll be fired/prosecuted/sued?" For that reason alone many doctors will refuse to treat pregnant patients outside of emergency situations.

The lay public doesn't understand just how much defensive medicine comes into play in modern-day practice, but they are going to learn fast. And they won't like the answers when they see it.

 

Here ya go, @robert martins Surprisingly this issue was addressed a day after you mentioned it.

 

From Kevin Smith's Instagram...

that scene from Dogma

Spoiler: NSFW - Language

 

I've always maintained that women have the power to stop this, but not all of them want to. Many women are just fine with "barefoot and pregnant"--it's the majority that isn't who suffer from their arcane point-of-view and self-righteous belief that they have the right to impose their morals on others.

 

Judge blocks Mississippi's abortion law.

 

I’m waiting on the Firth Circuit. Let’s see if they actually have the gumption to uphold this and the Georgia/Mississippi law on the grounds that they think the USSC will overturn Roe.

Such a ruling would force the issue up to the Nine, although they could choose to simply reverse without comment or otherwise ruling on the merits of the case.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/28/politics/supreme-court-abortion-indiana/index.html

"
The Supreme Court said Tuesday that a provision of an Indiana law which said the state may prohibit abortions motivated solely by race, sex or disability should remain blocked.
The court, however, did say it would allow part of the law that requires clinics to bury or cremate fetal remains to take effect.
The fact that the court decided not to take up the more controversial provision of the Indiana law suggests that there is not a current appetite on the court to move aggressively to question the court's core abortion precedents of Roe v. Wade and Casey v. Planned Parenthood. Still, supporters of abortion rights will be disappointed and worried that the justices allowed the fetal tissue provision to go into effect.
"
welp,here's the first and sadly not the last of the insanity.

 

They also refused a ruling on transgender bathroom issue without comment.
The conservative justices are playing pure politics at this point. They will refuse to make any controversial rulings until after the election, so as not to hurt Trump and other conservative candidates in close races.

 

Yup. Eventually they’ll have to step in it though, probably in the summer of 2021 so that maybe people will have forgotten the gutting of Roe by the midterms in 2022. Or not.

 

CNN - Disney and Netflix have both said that if the new abortion law in Georgia takes effect they may stop producing shows and movies there.

 

Now this is interesting.

I wonder how long these 40 prosecutors will stay in their jobs. I mean, you can't have DA's who are unwilling to prosecute women who've been raped or been victims of incest running the show, right?