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Senate Going Postal: The 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

Discussion in 'Community' started by Point Given , Nov 9, 2018.

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  1. Yodaminch

    Yodaminch Chosen One star 6

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    Agreed. I forgot to add that. But yes, once they turn 16 all citizens are automatically registered as independent voters. They receive a card in the mail just like the draft card but it gives them a choice to register with a party or not.
     
  2. Glitterstimm

    Glitterstimm Force Ghost star 6

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    Automatic registration would make things a lot better because the registration hurdle is actually quite discouraging for many people who feel intimidated or overwhelmed by politics in general.
     
  3. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Exactly. The idea now is to frame it as a privilege. Well, voting isn't a privilege. It's a right. Full stop.
     
  4. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    but so long as capitalism is the primary system we cannot vote them out, that is the problem with the meritocracy, working class folk dont have the chance to dedicate their time and money to working up some ladder. Or they need to make it their singular obsession with everything to lose. That is why you end up with people like AOC who try to cling to the establishment as soon as they threaten to pull funding.

    The way the proletariat outvote corporate interests is by removing corporations and forbidding the rich from running and voting. It will never matter about qualifications cause who can get educated, who has the time, who has the funding, etc will always be overshadowed by monied interests.

    Which is why I utterly reject the idea of having to hold office, cause they can buy those offices, hell Bloomberg did already What would these restrictions actually do to stop that monster from getting into office? It wouldn't. His wealth existing is the hurdle, putting up requirements that would end up blocking people like Marianne is not worth slowing down trump and...well doing nothing to Bloomberg cause somehow he got the mayor seat.

    I am more hopeful for a future because someone like Marianne could get up there, remember she was allowed in the debates cause Chapo Trap House pushed her donor numbers over the edge cause they wanted her there. Both jokingly, and legit cause she was something so different and distinct. The professional managerial class or career politicians should not be the only people who can run, otherwise it will just be the same people who are already in office due to wealth, and now with more restrictions on outsiders.

    Having people who are more out there like Marianne is good, and not worth losing particularly when her main concern was money in politics, its what she called Hillary out for in 2016 when she endorsed Bernie. I dont get why she should be stopped when Tulsi and Warren bailed on Bernie, but Marianne the supposed grifter as some accused her of being, stuck by his side. That is more uplifting than the thought that the rich might go through 1 more step before buying an election.

    If we dont completely remove their power then we are stuck having to just let everyone run. I'd rather that as consolation if we are gonna be so slow to get rid of PACs. Unless we bar the rich from participating then we will get hordes of Bushs and Pauls and whatnot. So long as politics involves merit and funding and just any of what it means in america, we will never have a good system. Small elections and voting for your neighbor or union rep who is just there to do the one job and represent an issue have been destroyed due to PMCs and he emphasis on college and holding office already. Politics is not participatory, it is exactly as that american socialists link I posted from decades ago said.

    If people are gonna climb up slowly here they have to work extra hard, sacrifice to much, have everything to lose, and make that their singular vision. Rather than just being an activist or representative which leads you to office naturally like what used to be the case in the 1800s or like how someone like Khrushchev managed to climb the ranks from being a peasant by essentially just participating in the party. Or better example is Castro or Lenin, or frankly Washington and Napoleon for that matter. Grant failed at his presidency mostly cause he was to honest and didnt play the political game, but honestly we NEED people like that to be able to rise up the ranks again.

    People with no degree or funding deciding they fit, but rather their charisma and the vision they stand for. That and organic party men/women need to be a thing again. Not party in the american sense which is just a collection of donors, but in the old sense when parties worked almost like unions. I want union organizers to be more capable of running for governor or something without having to climb up each rung. It removes casual participation in politics and makes it a separate class.

    right "no pun intended" as Paine said
     
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  5. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    What is Napoleon an example of, exactly? He was a minor noble who only received the education he did because of that fact. He was well-connected; his love interest and future wife was also openly in a relationship with the sitting dictator, which is part of how he got noticed at all. Another part of that being his willingness to use artillery against protestors. I don't see how this really fits with your vision at all.
     
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  6. Straudenbecker

    Straudenbecker Jedi Master star 3

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    Yodaminch, I would up that to four years in the military or public services as requirements for POTUS.
     
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  7. Ghost

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    Changing the legal qualifications is not the answer. If that can happen, then so can requiring the President be a registered gun-owner, or have at least 2 years of corporate CEO experience, or only allowing governors with executive experience, or only allowing senators/representatives with federal government experience, etc.

    Also, Trump now has almost 4 years of presidential experience. Does anyone really think he's more qualified now to win re-election than he was when he became president?
     
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  8. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    On a scale of 1 to 10, he was -5 qualified in 2016, and now he's -17 qualified.
     
  9. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    You know I wonder if Kanye will even remember to file for running. I think he’s to stupid for that
     
  10. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    It's not a good sign that Biden keeps harping on about Venezuela. If only there had been a candidate who was against U.S.-backed coups in Latin America.



    We had the opportunity to elect the first actual leftist to the Presidency and the Democratic party elite did everything to stop him so they could still do **** like this unimpeded.
     
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  11. 3sm1r

    3sm1r Force Ghost star 6

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    ^ I'm not sure why he keeps insisting on stuff like this. Is it going to help him in any way? Are there people who base their choice on how tough a candidate is with Maduro?
     
  12. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    I guess the Venezuelan vote in Florida is a consideration?
     
  13. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    The old-school Cuban-Americans consider being soft on Venezuela is one step removed from being soft on Cuba.
     
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  14. 3sm1r

    3sm1r Force Ghost star 6

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    Yeah, I suspected it was about Florida.
     
  15. Yodaminch

    Yodaminch Chosen One star 6

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    Biden's team is gunning hard for Florida. If they get Florida, they essentially close any path of nomination for Trump and make it that much harder for him to cry foul.
     
  16. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    DeSantis completely blowing his inexplicable good rating in Florida has really thrown a spanner in the works. Florida was pretty much a done deal in January for Trump, albeit with a probable razor-thin margin.

    Right now, the Republicans in Florida are betting everything on hoping it will all blow over before November. That's it, really.
     
  17. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    My friends in South Florida have been staying in for months. They are mad that they can't go to the beach the summer because of this mess, and they hate their governor.

    Personally, I hate the governor and lieutenant governor of Texas. They are the two main reasons besides the weather that I moved out of that state in early 2019. Dallas County is exploding with COVID-19 cases. Most of my friends have been protesting in honor of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor in Texas, Florida, and here in Oregon. I did some protesting myself. How did we not get the virus, you might ask? Maybe because we use CBD/cannabis, which various researchers say prevents the virus from entering our bodies. I don't know. Dr. Fauci says that we'll probably have a vaccine by early next year, and I hope he's right. He's probably sick of working under the orange maniac in the Oval Office.

    Anyhow, as to this election, it has been said that there is only 25% difference between Biden and Mitt Romney. Maybe. I think Biden, if he imitates Obama's policies, would be better for trans people than Trump. Wouldn't surprise me, given how 2019 polls show most Democrats and independents support trans rights now. I've heard many women who say that they believe Tara Reade's allegations against Biden, but these voters say they will vote for Biden, anyway. That truly speaks to how hated Trump is. It's apparent that the country is desperate to get rid of Trump. While I don't think Biden would be a good president, he wouldn't end democracy like Trump would. Right now, Trump is scared he's going to lose, and he's begging Tucker Carlson, of all people, for advice. What a concept. Well, he shouldn't have gotten involved with politics to begin with. We've had a great many terrible presidents, and I hate to say it, but some say that several of them were rapists. Which is ****ed up. But I never dreamed that we would get a president worse than Bush before late 2015.

    Having said that, I wish Biden would clarify more of what he would do. I'm glad he said he would increase corporate taxes, and I hope that's true. I just hope he wouldn't do anything to Social Security. He's going to inherit a worse economic mess than Obama did. If Biden's health renders him a one-term president, than this situation will be interesting for a long time. If I were making a political commercial, I would ask if Americans should put up with Trump separating families and allowing children to be abused in cages. Clearly, Americans shouldn't do that. Even if 60% of the country objects to Trump and denies him a second term, I worry how Trump supporters will treat people in years to come, specifically ethnic and gender minorities and cis women. We're lucky that the Supreme Court said it was illegal to fire people on the basis of orientation or gender, as well as their other ruling. But as long as the Court and the other two branches are corporatist, things will not be good. We need to elect more people like AOC, Ilhan Omar, Bernie, etc. IMO. A lot of people in Gens. X, Y, and Z care about the environment, medicare-for-all, and equity.
     
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  18. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    We particularly need to fill local government with a consistent force of socialists. Higher offices are battlegrounds but have so much trouble changing anything due to the party harming them. Back in the 10s and 20s the SPA held several local governments and create blocs, we need that again. Relying on Pelosi playing nice is not enough
     
  19. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    Local elections do matter. More people need to be informed. I receive mail before early voting with detailed booklets featuring all the local, statewide, and national candidates and their policies. We need more that.
     
  20. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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    Right now democrats are trying to corner the market on "is tough against America's perceived enemies" in order to contrast themselves to Trump.
     
  21. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Chosen One star 7

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    Biden talking about ousting Maduro is like us mentioning that Star Wars is bad.
     
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  22. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    yeah but at least we dont cause mass death when we do that.......well most of the time
     
  23. Glitterstimm

    Glitterstimm Force Ghost star 6

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    The Biden campaign has been listening to neoconservatives like Bill Kristol and Rick Wilson too much, they are convinced they can beat Trump by siphoning off "moderate" Republicans on national security issues. This was Hillary's exact strategy in 2016, and it seems the only state where it may have worked was Virginia. It's not a terrible idea in so far as it forces Trump to play defense, devoting resources to shoring up his own base rather than attacking Biden, but if it fails then they will look like the dumbest people in the whole world. The political energy animating the Democratic base right now is beyond anti-Trumpism, and failing to appeal to it directly is a mistake imo, but Biden might not be capable of that.
     
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  24. dp4m

    dp4m Chosen One star 10

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    ... and yet the policies proposed by Biden on his website for $15 minimum wage, healthcare, free college tuition, criminal justice reform, racial equality, LGBTQ+ equality, etc. are all even more progressive than what Clinton proposed because the party's moved a bit leftward since 2016. So if he's already committed to more progressive ideas -- even if not as far as die-hard Berners want -- why not also try and pick up the moderate Republicans, as long as it doesn't really kneecap the other promises?
     
  25. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Because it's a complete waste of time? And it would end up kneecapping the other promises?
     
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