Saga After Vader & Palps, who is the third biggest villain?

There was a strong "if you give me an answer, I'll hold off on destroying that planet until I can confirm it" vibe in his ultimatum to Leia "Then name the system!"

- even if he didn't actually make that promise outright.

 

I suppose Tarkin clearly did lots of very evil stuff offscreen as well, and from his age and position we know he's a very powerful and influential bad guy. Whereas Maul was really just a hitman.

But for a Hitman, black and red is better than black and pink. Obscure reference of the day anyone?

 

I would say Grand Moff Tarkin. He almost surpassed Palpatine and Vader when he ordered the destruction of Alderaan.

 

I honestly don't understand why you say that. Sidious deceived everyone and very, very likely caused much more death than Tarkin if *scale* is your justification.

 

The EU did have Vader as someone "with the blood of billions on his hands" in the pre-ANH period of Star Wars - so he could probably compete with Tarkin in terms of "number of civilians he's had killed".

Sidious's "death toll" is a bit harder to gauge - though, if you take the view that all Vader's (or the Seperatists') atrocities were carried out on his orders, it goes way up.

If he was telling Grievous "Go to Humbarine and melt the planet's surface" - that's billions of lives, on his orders.

 

Grand Moff Tarkin. He was pretty much third-in-line, sometimes even outranking Vader himself (as seen in ANH). Being Force-sensitive/a Sith doesn't make you the "third biggest" villain in my opinion. Let's not forget he ordered the destruction of an entire planet which also killed billions of innocent civilians (regardless of their views of the Empire).

 

Tarkin or Dooku.

They're in very similar positions --both are Palpatine's underlings. I would lean towards Dooku, though, since we see him help start a war that lasts a number of years (which I think outweighs, or is at least equal to, the destruction of Alderaan). He also appears in two films to Tarkin's one so that's another point in his favor.

 

Count Dooku No Contest.

1. Palpatine
2 Count Dooku
3 Darth Vader

 

Definitely Tarkin. He seemed more evil than Tyranus, and he was a Sith Lord! The way he orders Alderaan destroyed even after Leia diverged the location of the Rebel base (lying of course) was one of the worst things done by a character in the saga. Alderaan wasn't just some backwater colony with a bunch of ne'er-do-wells on it either. It was a thriving, important world in the galactic Core, and it was annihilated in a second.

 

Soon it'll be Kylo Ren...

 

it has to be Evazan and Ponda Baba

- they don't like Luke....just because.... and were willing to murder him for it

- they are wanted men, they have the death sentence on twelve systems, quite a feat.

- they hang around Mos Eisley space port, a place where you'd never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy

so yeah, those guys

 

The problem is the other villains don't cross trilogies. Jabba and Tarkin have second long cameos and that's it.

What about the Fetts as one entity? When treated as such you have a duo that connects many elements together. They work for all three evil factions in the movies (meaning the CIS, the Empire and the criminal fringe, in this case Jabba), the clones have their DNA which means they have a hand in the creation of the Empire, They both work directly under a Darth in a way where they find themselves standing by them closer to equals than any other underling gets, assist in the capture of main characters twice (Jango leads the droidekas in capturing Anakin and Padme, Boba gets Han Solo of course). And yes, they both die inglorious deaths (we'll see if the new EU brings Boba Back) but i would say that what I've mentioned is more influence over a larger span of time than other villains.

 

For me Dooku just about edges Tarkin out simply because for all the lambasting and handwringing about the morality of a 'slave army' (the clones) laid on the Republic/Jedi Council (rightly or wrongly) that was really down to him. Sidious said to make it so, but it was he who did so. So he has at least partial responsibility for moral lapses on both sides of the war in a similar but smaller fashion to Sidious himself. And it also seems to me that the day to day running of the Separatist war campaign was also done by Dooku, so many of the atrocities committed by the villains-of-the-week in TCW can ultimately be laid at his door - if he was REALLY all that moral and integral he'd surely have words to say about (for example) the Blue whatsit virus being dropped on Naboo.

 

Or the defoliator being tested on the neutral Lurmen.

Instead it's "Proceed, I eagerly await your results."

 

Exactly. Obviously he did not personally create all these horrible weapons/chemicals/devices but he was certainly culpable of ordering (or at the very bare minimum PERMITTING) their development and use which makes him responsible for what happens.

 

He also works with the Zygerrian slavers - Dooku conquers Kiros - then hands population over to them.

 

Agreed-he esentially did: he was ultimately responsible for guiding the republic into a crisis that led to the Clone Wars-a galaxy spanning 3 years full of death and destruction...

 

I'm gonna have to say Tarkin. Maybe not if you just look at the movies, but both the animated series and especially the Luceno novel raised that character enormously for me. Also, and this might seem petty, but he is the only one who could act as the third villain together with Sidious and Vader. Just the mental picture of that triumvirate standing together works tremendously in Tarkins favor.

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"You don't know what it takes to win a war. But I do."

Classic Wilhuff.

 

Count Dooku.

 

If you mean their level of evilness (a.k.a their attitude, what things they did, who they killed), I think it would be either General Grievous, as he killed many, many, jedi, an who's attitude is hostile to practically everything and everyone. But seeing he's not on the list I'd say Tarkin, as the Death Star crew, on his order, destroyed Alderaan, killing an entire population, without any real reason. Alderaan was a peaceful country, and had done nothing to the empire, other than that Leia, born on Alderaan, stole the plans for the Death Star. Darth Maul only went into battle two times (in the movies, in The Clone Wars he's been into many duels and fights), and killed only one person (on camera). Jabba has killed very many people, but doesn't seem very evil. He seems like (and is) a gangster, simply killing people he sees the need to kill to be able to do his business, with some exeptions like the occational dancers. Dooku was in control of the droid army (until his death, when Grievous took over), and also killed people in The Clone Wars, but to me most of his duels in both the movies and The Clone Wars, seem like he fights a little bit, injuring either the opponent or himself (Episode 3), and eventually either escaping or losing.

So out of the list of people you have, I'd say Tarkin, but otherwise I'd say Grievous.

 

Without any remorse whatsoever, and he was prepared to do it a hundred more times if necessary to show the Empire's power

 

The ROTJ novelization portrayed him as a veritable connoisseur of depravity, creating new and exotic atrocities.

 

He's not the first person to do that in Star Wars though...

 

First person to do it on screen though.

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Count Dooku, if we're going by the films and the shows and not including the EU in all of this.

If we ARE including the EU, then maybe Tarkin but I wouldn't be sure.