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And Aang was fighting who the entire series?

 

Yes, because mastering the elements has a peaceful purpose. I'm sure that the whole solar eclipse business and the raising of armies was just because Aang was being sociable.

Vivec: Proximal v. distal. Come on.

Wocky: Ah, I see, so being a dismal failure means he wasn't actually fighting the Fire Nation? What sort of inane sophistry is this? We're not talking about Barack Obama here, you can feel free to use sense.

 

Spider(hyphen)fan: Zuko overthrew nothing. He merely took the throne, which was his prerogative as a member of the imperial family. He was older than his sister and it was his right--his sister, I need not point out, was never actually crowned. Watch the show.

Aang, on the other hand, continually drove the Fire Nation outside of its colonies. He actively conspired to overthrow it and to assassinate its rulers. He had no right to do any such thing.

Also, what do the people have to do with anything? Nobody cares about the people--Aang clearly doesn't, as you admit. This was all about assassinating the royalty of the Fire Nation, which *is* the Fire Nation. This was all about repelling the Fire Nation from its colonies and denying the world the fruits of its advancements so that Aang could set himself up as the great hero, because he felt emo and upset about abandoning his people.

Zuko just happened to be smart enough to position himself on a side of the conflict that would ensure the Fire Nation was not wiped out. What do you think would happen if he wasn't around to take the throne?

I'm seriously wondering if you people watched the same show as I did. This is all patently obvious.

 

I'm serious. I don't know if Aang is outright malicious, or if all air monks are crazy luddites and technophobes.

Vivec: He is the Avatar; he has every right. The job of the Avatar is to maintain balance in the world. The Fire Nation expanding into other nations, including the attempted genocide of the Air Nomads and the overthrow of the Earth King, destroys the balance of the world. It is the job of the Avatar to expel the Fire Nation from those colonies. Aang also had the backing of the spirit world, including the previous Avatar, who was from the Fire Nation.

Oh, does he, now? He has the right to create conflict and discord simply because he recognized a few toys as a child? Because he is this ubermensch who can master all the elements? Might makes right, does it?

As far as the previous Avatar--yes, a traitor to boot. This is a biased source of support, and the spirit world has always been jealous of the material world; witness the face stealer.

You'll note that at the point Aang fought Ozai, Ozai was in the process of scorching the entire planet and destroying everything. Being the Avatar, Aang had every right to stop Ozai from using Sozun's comet to destroy the planet. Aang had every right to kill him, but you'll note that Aang his life. It is clear that Aang isn't evil.

Well. Ozai was a usurper. I can't really account for his nonsense, but I'm just saying that two wrongs don't make a right. Obviously Iroh was the legitimate Fire Lord, and in a sane world, he would have been enthroned instead of Zuko. He modestly avoided elimating Ozai because of brotherly piety and wishing to avoid the impression of more civil war, but there's no reason he couldn't have stepped in after Zuko stopped his sister's coronation.

edit: but on a side note, some plants actually require some fire in order to spread. Are you sure Ozai wasn't just gardening? What, Aang is anti-environmentalist too, now??

I know it's your schtick to be pro-imperial stuff, but this is a KIDS SHOW, not.

It is not. It is a serious political drama.

 

Really? Let us count the ways.

The Fire Nation created a dam in order to allow small villages to flourish. The Fire Nation educated colonials in its best schools. The Fire Nation developed advanced technology to reduce the reliance on beasts of burden (contrast this to the Avatar, who uses a bison as a mode of transportation--tell me, who do you think PETA would support?). The Fire Nation heats tea with their own chi, reducing the reliance on fossil fuels and thereby assisting against global warming.

The Fire Nation is just.

The Fire Nation is socially responsible.

The Fire Nation is progressive.

The Fire Nation is environmentalist.

What have the air nomads ever done to help others, hiding in their mountain retreats? What has the Earth Kingdom done, sheltered behind its walls? When have the Water Tribes come to anybody's assistance, isolated as they are in their wintry wastes?

Only the Fire Nation is courageous enough to do what is right. They could easily have stayed in their lovely gardens in the Caldera, but great princes like Iroh and Azula journey to the ends of the earth, sacrificing their livelihoods so that others may live better.

Praise be to the Fire Nation. Praise be to Lord Sozin.

The Incredulous Spider-Fan: Zuko had been turned away from the family, an enemy of the nation. He was owed nothing. Azula was named Fire Lord by her father. The coronation is merely ceremonial.

The coronation is everything. It represents the true governance of the Fire Nation--Ozai, being a usurper, knew he couldn't hold the title much longer. Zuko merely took the opportunity to seize the vacant throne, and did so in a better manner than his father did.

Assassinate?? He specifically sought out non-lethal means of defeating Ozai. That's his job as Avatar. To protect and maintain the balance of the universe.

Only because a turtle taught him how. That wasn't the original idea, as evidenced by the Melon Lord Plan?.

And when did Aang ever successfully drive the Fire Nation out of any territory?? I seem to recall it was always someone else.


Again, being a dismal failure doesn't make him innocent. It just means he's a pitiful excuse for an Avatar--and we all know why, because of his unjust aggression, his utter recklessness and lack of seriousness when it comes to training, and his ridiculous infatuation for Katara, who he could never be worthy of.

If by your standards overthrowing or assassination of the present power is evil the Fire Nation overthrew and assassinated far more people than Aang, who sought balance through non-confrontation as much as possible and only begrudgingly took on Ozai.

The Fire Nation is a sovereign entity and all of their actions are acts of war, and any excesses therein to be investigated in future. I am sure the Fire Nation legal system will ascertain if anything went amiss. Is there any such legal oversight of the hallow Avatar, who can do no wrong? Of course not.