Discussion in 'Archive: SF&F: Films and Television' started by Jedi_Master_Conor, Feb 24, 2006.
I don't think Brody could pull off the Joker.
well you would be WRONG
I don't think there is an actor in hollywood (outside of Crispen Glover) that could handle it better, especcially after his performance in The Village.
I agree completely with Glover though.
yeah Crispen Glover would be the Ulitimate Joker, the complete Anti-Nicholson (which I hated by the way)
I liked good ol Jack, I think the problem was that the character didn't have much depth in the film. TRhe more I see Batman the more I enjoy his interpretation of the joker, but the Begins sequel will definitely have a more complex version.
Exactly, in the comics The Joker was completely insane. A maniac, homicidal, he kills ruthlessly. That was lost on Jack Nicholson (And I LOVE Jack Nicholson). It was like watching Jack Nicholson... as Jack Nicholson + Face Paint. Which is a different interpretation of it, which I'm sure is what Burton was going for since he hates comic books. But it just wasn't the Joker as we all know and love him. Heck, the Joker in Batman the animated series was much closer to the comic version, but tamer.
Of course it still boggles my mind why somebody who admittedly says he loathes comcis would be allowed to direct a franchise like Batman...
Anyways, has anyone here seen Summer of Sam? If not, you should. Adrien plays a pretty "not-quite-right-in-the-head" kind of character in that. I already thought Adrien was a decent enough actor, but after I saw that I liked him a lot more. Not only that, but I think once you've seen his character in Summer of Sam, you'll completely understand why I think he's the perfect Joker.
I have liked adrian more and more wiht every movie I see him in.....
I loved this movie. I wasn't expecting much from it, since pretty much all the other comic book movies I've seen have been terrible, but I decided to go because I love Batman. I was blown away. It was great! It was very character driven which is just right for a Batman movie, and I loved what they did with the villains. As usual (unsurprisingly) the Scarecrow was a sort of lame vilain, but I liked how this was the most real and terrifying version of him that I've seen. And then Liam. Wow. I did not expect him to be the bad guy. At the beginning he reminded me of a mislead Qui-Gon, which lead to me being greatly surprised to find that he was the mastermind of it all.
It was a very cool movie, and I hope the sequel is as good as Begins.
It was funny, because I called the Liam thing. I remember being kind of ticked that they had changed Ras Al Ghul so much, because Ken looked NOTHING like the comic version. I went into the movie with very very VERY low hopes. Then I saw Liam come on, and I said "He looks EXACTLY like Al Ghul from the comics." And after Bruce saved him, I knew he would show back up as the real Al Ghul at the end.
Also, it was very cool seeing the movie, I saw it the day before it came out, all by myself. Private screening. Very cool.
The only thing I didn't like about the film was the pronounciation of Ras, I was expecting the animated version pronounciation, but when I heard his name for the first time on screen I was like "da hell?"
Considering I never read the comics, it's not hard to see why I enjoy Nicholson's portrayal (as well as Burton's interpretation of the series).
But I also love Begins, and can't wait for the loaded sequel (if only they could put Max Shreck in there somehow as homage to Returns...)
I loved this Batman film moreso than any previous effort. Why? Because we got the full backstory on Bruce Wayne. That was one element that was missing from the previous Bat-franchises.
It is impossible to imagine any one as The Joker because in the cartoons & comics he look barely human. How many sequels are there going to be?
Daredevil was laughably terrible, IMO (to be fair, you could see hints of a good movie every now and then, though). It's quite possible that Elektra was a better film. But even with all that said, it had better action scenes than BB did. I thought I was the only one who felt this way. But I really got nothing out of seeign a bunch of quick edits of a foot and a fist and grunt, and someone's coat flapping around as they hit the floor. It just left me feeling kind of stupid, as if I had reached down to get popcorn or something at the wrong moment, and missed the coolest part. But I didn't--they just denied us the opportunity to see it.
Anyway, for the film as a whole, it was enjoyable. As others have said, it did a good job on the vengeance/justice debate (coincidentally, a debate similar to the one that they attempted to carry through in Daredevil, though I was never throoughly convinced that he was actually good). I also thought they handled the intro story neatly enough. And I appreciated the film for the greater degree of "realism" it had as compared to many movies in this genre. That's why I was kind of disappointed when they completely retreated from this aspect at the end of the movie.
But oh well.
Yeah, but part of the reason why Daredevil was so bad was because they got it so terribly wrong. They could toss out all the action scenes, and I wouldn't care less as long as the characters were given justice. Plus Batman was never about awesome fight scenes, it was about the cool gadgets he used to take out the baddies. We always knew that when worse came to worse Batman COULD fight, but it was always one good swift kick.
Check out some of my pics of Brody on page 1, you add a longer chin and I say the resemblance is striking. As for Batman sequels, everyone is signed on for three films, including Begins. That doesn't mean there will be three, just that if they decided to make three everyone is contractually obligated to show back up.
True, I can picture him as the Joker, perhaps.
The League of Shadows (Assassins in the Comics) have been around since the 1970s...as have been their motivations:
Ra's's goal is a world in perfect environmental balance, a goal he will achieve at any cost. Since he believes that the best way to do so is to eliminate most of humanity, he may be regarded as an ecoterrorist bent upon global genocide.
Bruce Wayne traveled the world learning various types of martial arts...he was trained my ninja senseis, masters, etc. there's even some comics where Bruce was a ninja pre-Batman.
But that's how it should be...Batman shouldn't just stand in a circle of people taking them one at a time, he should shock and surprise them, come out of the shadows, do what he's gotta do and disappear...displaying something different--say for arguments sake along the lines of the previous movies would be really cheesy.
Did he not take them out? As I recall the only one he truly struggle with was Ras, the others he handeled pretty well and in many cases in record time...like they say in the Behind the scenes footage, why would Batman waste his time blocking a kick, punch, spinning in circles, etc. if he can take you out with a single blow?
anyone heard that this is to be the year one trilogy
each one dealing with a diffrent emotion?
i heard this is how goyer wants the films to go
the second one will have harvey dent teaming up with batman and gordon to take joker in alive
then in the 3rd dent is hrribly scared in the jokers trial
rumord villins for the second movie
joker as the main villain and its ment to be down to either paul betney or asussie lachme hume, i think i spelt i right
the penguin - but a totaly diffrent verson to what was in returns, with bob hoskins and philp seymour hoffman
dr harleen quizin, harlyquin, emily watson
mob boss Salvatore Maroni played by ?
harvey dent - either Jake Gyllenhaal , who tested for batman, or Liev Schreiber
i'm having a hard time believing they'd bring in Penguin for the next one. he doesn't seem like he'd fit in. they left it open for Scarecrow to come back with him escaping in Batman Begins. and obviously it's going to be joker for the main villain hopefully
well from what ive heard he i being brought into it as an arms dealer, who gets together with Richard Earl to go after bruce's company
seems the fierd mr earl bears a grudge aganst bruce
scarecrow is not in the film from what ive read
My only real problem with Begins was that it read like a term paper. Nolan wanted us to know that little Brucie was afraid of bats, that the mod boss uses fear to maintain power, that the League of Extraordinary Gentleman ) use fear to affect social change, that the Scarecrow loves to observe fear, and that Batman must also use fear to gain mythic status.
I got it in the first few minutes. You didn't have to hammer me over the head with it for the entire 2 1/2 hours. I got it.
From 1995 on, the Penguin has been portrayed as more of a crime boss than in his original incarnation. The type of villian who would take part in the drug trade, robbery, casino rackets, money laundering and illegal weapons.
Both Liam Neeson and Ken Watanabe's appearences are based off of characters who appeared in the Secret Origins story "The Man Who Fell". Henri Ducard had debuted previous during the "Blind Justice" story arc, which was part of the build up to Detective Comice #600 and written by Sam Hamm. Nolan kept the comic appearences, to make it hard to tell which one would be Ra's.
Joker comes in a wide varity of styles, depending on the writer and editor. It all depends on which version Nolan and Goyer look to.
The only real problem I had in Batman Begins was that they burn down the mansion at the end for a cheap laugh.
Oh, and that Ducard tells Bruce Wayne his master plan, before he goes and does it. Just like a Bond show, where the Bond villian tells Bond exactly what he's going to do.
Ummmmm They didn?t burn down the mansion for a cheap laugh, they burnt it down because "Its the perfect opportunity to upgrade the foundation. Especially under the east wing" For those of you who don?t read between the lines well it reads like this "The perfect opportunity to build the bat cave under the east wing"
And Ras (Ducard) gave Bruce information on 2 occasions. First when Bruce was his ProtÃ©gÃ© and was expected to help with the plan, and second when Bruce was about to die as the mansion burnt down, and never forget this IS a Comic Book after all, not Shakespeare. This movie followed a familiar plot style that I have come to expect and require from comic books. If I want something else, I will read (watch) something else.
I think it would be silly though for them to do the Joker without the "Killing Joke" template. Killing Joke IS the best Joker comic ever produced, and that's common knowledge. And Goyer reads his comics, this much you can tell, so chances are we'll get the Joker in that fashion.
Another reason I liked Batman Begins was because of the STRONG influence of the comics in it. I actually owned Long Halloween, Year One, and Dark Victory. It was like watching any of those coming to life on screen.
And let's not forget people, Batman is the ultimate detective. He uses his martial arts and gadgets as an ends to find out what he needs to. He's not every other super hero, fighting is his last resort. It just so happens he can if he needs to.