Amph Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice

Yep. Quite a few of my points actually was with most of the people here, but they just don't want to say it.
Also some of my prediction came true...

 

Well I waited until this week to watch it.
Sometimes movies are so overhyped good they let you down. And other times movies are so panned and bashed they turn out to be okay. Not as bad as everyone claimed.

Well this film certainly lived up to the vast negative critiques. They had a piece of gold in their hand and just smeared **** all over it. Then washed it down with a mason jar full of piss. Adam of Nuchtern

 

Only if all our mom's names were Martha, we could end and solve all issues and grievances.

 

Wait....Save mother. Mother! Sith_Sensei__Prime we are no longer enemies, in fact we are now friends!

 

Now only if a hot Amazonian would show up and be my bestie.

 

Yes, some plot with good potential were either wasted(the trial went BOOM) or had unconvincing solution(Martha). It was a BAD idea to make BVS. I said it when the project was announced.

 

There's a difference between it being a bad idea to make the movie and having questionable choices with regards to certain plot points.

 

It is, when you have such limited setup(just MOS), it's very hard to let the two heroes have a reason to fight each other and then work together in one movie. Not to say it's never interesting when one side (Superman) didn't want to fight.

 

Plus Superman would always have "the higher ground."

 

It was something of both, I think. They were simply trying overly hard to build a Cinematic Universe to equal Marvel. They were just moving faster than they should have been. In that sense, I suppose, it's not necessarily making the movie that was the mistake: it was making it now. Like the audience for a Batman v Superman movie was going to dry up if they didn't get the movie out immediately. But the plot points are also an issue and, even being rushed, the film could have still been great if those things had worked.

 

Doomsday should never have been involved. Save that for MOS 2 or 3. The whole thing is a jumbled mess, and a huge missed opportunity.

 

Yes, like I said there was too few setup materials, Marvel got SO many movies before Civil War and it was still not handled flawlessly.

If they just plan to build a cinematic universe, they could just make something like World's Finest, where Superman and Batman work together, which would have been much easier to handle. Why did they choose to make BVS? Because they want to use the popularity of The Dark Knight Returns to get a HUGE box office return, but they were wrong.

I don't get why Lex Luthor wanted to kill Superman, even creating something like Doomsday.

 

Good points Rogue1-and-a-half - and let's not forget based on BO takings that both BvS and Suicide Squad have very large audiences willing to forgive plot issues.

 

SS did very well at the box office. BvS not being close to. Dealing a billion tells me there wasn't much forgiveness for the plot.

 

BvS earned $321m in the US and $855m worldwide.

 

Yes it was a hit, but not the one they were expecting.

 

But the one they deserved.

 

$855 million for the very first live action film starring Batman and Superman, and a tickle from Wonder Woman? If any executive at WB called that a victory they deserved to be fired.

And I'm a DC boy, AJ, I want these films to succeed. But Marvel is doing it better. And they have no right to.

 

Here is their lesson:

Big names and the "VS" gimmick could only carry you that far...

 

You don't need "set-up" materials, really. The vast majority of all films, even with much lesser known characters, manage to introduce the situation and a plausible conflict. They just failed to do so here, and instead seemed to have spent a bunch of time making odd, disconnected references to a bunch of future films that no one will want to see, on account of this one being terrible.

 

But this is Superman and Batman. Everybody knew them way too well so you need a major buildup for them to fight each other.
Remember even TDKR was a non-canon or didn't happen in the main universe.

 

I don't think you need a major build-up. You need a good reason.

 

And you need major setup to give people a reason, WHY these two GOOD superheroes would fight each other.

More importantly, this isn't something like TDKR. It's the main movie universe, which is still mainly about superheroes working together to fight the bad guys, and this movie was supposed to start the creation of Justice League.

So not only they need a reason to let these two fight, but also need to let them solve the problem and work together after the fight. This is way too much to handle, and we saw what happened.

This is why I was saying that BVS itself was a mistake from the beginning.

 

I agree that the overall concept of fighting and then cooperating is contrived and non-sensical in the way that comic books specialize in. It's also the case that it doesn't really made sense for them to "fight" at all since Batman is too destined to lose too badly, absent some absurdly particular set of circumstances to tilt things in his favor.

Really, though, given we're wedded to such an awful concept, it's not that hard to do. The most straightforward way would probably be for Superman to mistakenly target Batman as part of some sort of criminal enterprise. This, because Batman's reputation centers more on being a detective, so it's less likely he would be the one to make a mistake. Batman clears his name then they jointly target some "real" threat.

 

I kind of agree with Wocky. Batman could easily have been investigating shady activities in Lexcorp. For example, he might have learned that Lexcorp (or a group employed by Lex) has been scavenging and smuggling remnants of alien tech.

During this investigation, Superman comes upon him, who isn't too thrilled to have a vigilante who "beats criminals to a pulp with his bare hands" running around.

The more challenging thing here would be a reason for why Superman should care, since MoS made every effort to tell Superman that he shouldn't give a damn.