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ST Behind the Scenes of the Sequel Trilogy

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by TCF-1138 , May 13, 2020.

  1. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Chosen One star 9

    Nov 20, 2012
    They needed to meet a deadline, I guess.
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  2. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Feige's #1 Fan and Ryan Church Aficionado star 6

    Apr 6, 2018
    I’ve always felt that directors need something of an instinct for Star Wars. The ability to know when something will work and have a lasting visual or emotional effect, or not. And IMO, Abrams consistently demonstrates that he doesn’t have that instinct. Rather, he has a superficial grasp of what makes Star Wars tick, and so he gives you Star Wars facsimiles, not stories. The Oracle was weird and horrifying, but also sort of darkly comic-looking all at once. That’s a recipe for legendary Star Wars character status, ala Jabba the Hutt. But he just didn’t see it (I suspect). Maybe the scene as filmed was just bad and needed to be cut. But I doubt it. I’ve heard JJ talk Star Wars, and he almost seems determined to cut out the most interesting scenes in his films in order to maintain a breakneck pace.
  3. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Force Ghost star 4

    Mar 10, 2005
    He always talks about things like profundity and spirituality, but his idea of those concepts is, as you say, superficial. He seems to think that creating a sense of it is enough. Which ties back to his mystery box approach. He builds shells for us to fill with our own ideas.
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  4. Krueger

    Krueger Chosen One star 5

    Aug 9, 2004
    Abrams seems to weirdly lack conviction in his vision, and constantly seems to second-guess himself. Its actually quite amazing and impressive he's revered as much as he is with that kind of work ethic, and I don't necessarily mean that as an insult. I suppose it makes him human.

    The early ideas for TFA were much better and more daring than the final film, as with TROS (and I actually like both films). That's why, though, at least to me, TLJ is by far the best film of the ST. Rian Johnson doesn't seem to have those problems. He displays complete confidence in what he is trying to do. It seems that if someone in the editing suite said to Abrams they didn’t like something, he'll just change it straight away without any hesitation. Whereas Johnson would ask you why you didn't like it, and then proceed to tell you why he likes it and why he thinks the film needs it.

    Certain people may not like the film as a result, but I've always preferred filmmakers like that.
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  5. ScreamingWoman2019

    ScreamingWoman2019 Jedi Knight star 4

    Aug 11, 2018
    'The temple was burning'. That's Kurtz up the river, and not Luke on that island. The Apocalypse Now original script (the one from Milius) included Kurtz's compound being bombed, and that's how Luke's temple ended, as seen in the comic. And it was not Ben; he did not 'slaughter' the students either.

    Going back to Apocalypse Now, that would mean Willard/Sheen: his orders were to infiltrate and terminate Kurtz's command 'with extreme prejudice'.

    Was there a Willard? 'Infiltrate'?
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  6. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Apr 1, 2005
    I wonder if Abrams did intend for that night to be as ambiguous as TLJ and later comics made it seem. The story is straightforward enough in TFA, but Abrams is a fan of misdirection, so I wouldn’t be totally surprised if the idea always was that there was more to Ben’s fall than a straightforward turn.

    If that was the intention, then I would imagine it was Snoke who responsible. But I doubt it would be as obvious as sending a squadron of stormtroopers or bombarding it with conventional weapons. I’m not sure. Part of me does prefer the idea that Ben simply burned the temple during his rampage.
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  7. ewoksimon

    ewoksimon Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Oct 26, 2009
    I don't know that I'd say Abrams is inconsistent with his intentions on either TFA or TROS. In the broadest sense, TFA was intended to be an OT followup in tone and texture, whereas TROS intended to take more narrative and character risks. Feel free to disagree with those intentions or their eventual executions, but both of those respective approaches seemed to be pretty clearly established early on.
  8. JeanNo

    JeanNo Jedi Knight star 1

    Dec 21, 2015
  9. Vinylshadow

    Vinylshadow Jedi Knight star 2

    Sep 3, 2017
    And then went "No, no, your ideas are all wrong. Let me show you my ideas" and none of it was Star Wars
  10. fett 4

    fett 4 Force Ghost star 5

    Jan 2, 2000
    I wouldn't use the term follow up more straight up rehash.
    If you want to know his intentions just watch his Ted Talk
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  11. imperial scum

    imperial scum Jedi Padawan star 1

    Sep 7, 2020
    Rian Johnson: :p
    Kathleen Kennedy: Give this man a trilogy
    Colin Trevorrow: Luke should live
    Kathleen Kennedy: No
    JJ Abrams: I want to use some of Trevorrow's ideas
    Kathleen Kennedy: No
    JJ Abrams: Rey is a Palpatine
    Kathleen Kennedy: No
    George Lucas: Anakin's ghost will defeat Palpatine
    Kathleen Kennedy: No
  12. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Jedi Master star 5

    Jan 15, 2018
    I don't think thats KK, sound more like GL during the PT.
  13. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 ST/Anthology/Fan Films Manager and Ewok Enthusiast star 5 Staff Member Manager

    Sep 20, 2002
    We're not doing this here. This is a thread for discussing the making of the ST, not for trolling, nor for PT vs ST debates.
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  14. ScreamingWoman2019

    ScreamingWoman2019 Jedi Knight star 4

    Aug 11, 2018
    This, from something a wrote in the Kylo thread. I think it's a possibility.
    Snoke died like Greedo, the upper half of his body stumbling over...after being distracted by Solo's (Solo Jr's) left hand while the other hand was minding its own bussines under the table.

    Maybe RJ was inspired by that...and also Kylo, inside the film. 'You have too much of your father's heart in you[...]You failed!'

    And also Palpatine, outside TLJ.
    He's talking about Han and Leia. He made a plan before ROTJ incorporating the stolen plans ('many bothans died') and also Luke's friends, and retconned those elements into a trap. He knew Luke fell in the Bespin trap because of his friends.

    This would have been the same thing. I mean, maybe he learned at some point about Han and Greedo.
    So marrying Leia turned him into John Wayne. Ben was told about John Wayne then. But Han shot first. He was not married when he did that.

    Not so different from not being told by the OT3 about 'grandfather' being Vader. We know he wasn't. Ben learned that truth in the worst way possible - from the worst people.

    'He shot first. A cold-blooded killer. It's not s story your father would tell you'. Palpatine was not in Tatooine, that day. He was told. By who?

    Not by Snoke, maybe, but Snoke was a part of the process.
    And in the Kylo Ren comic, Ben know about 'Solo' not being 'his real name'. In 'Solo', Han shots first at the end; he shots Beckett.

    Kasdan wrote TFA and Solo.
    'He's a lie', Ben says in the comic. This is after Luke 'proves' himself to be a lie in the hut - a murderer.
    If you become a murderer yourself, then Vader is not a lie; and neither is Han the cold-blooded killer. Kill it, if you have to. 'Too much Vader in him'>'too much of your father's heart in you'

    So Snoke used Kylo against Han, and then Kylo used Han against Snoke.
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  15. Master_Rebado

    Master_Rebado Chosen One star 6

    May 31, 2004
  16. Ancient Whills

    Ancient Whills Force Ghost star 6

    Jun 12, 2011
  17. rocknroll41

    rocknroll41 Jedi Master star 3

    May 28, 2013
    Lol “Winkie.”
  18. Ancient Whills

    Ancient Whills Force Ghost star 6

    Jun 12, 2011
    Beyond Luke dying (which has always been a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned) and Rey initially being a 14-year-old, I would have expected more about GL's version of episode 8 and 9 which we barely know anything in contrast to his episode 7 story. I highly doubt his version of ST would have span in just one year especially since our main protagonist was 14-year-old. I would have loved to see more of the master/student relationship before Luke's death and how the Whills fit in all of this.