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Senate "Biden Beats Trump" - The 2020 General Election Presidential Thread

Discussion in 'Community' started by Point Given , Aug 27, 2020.

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  1. Darth Nerdling

    Darth Nerdling Force Ghost star 4

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    Well, again, that guy curbstomped your guy in two debates. What does that say about Trump's intellect?
     
  2. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    But bob doesn’t think that. Just like the rest of them they thought he won. Unless I missed a post which had bob saying otherwise
     
  3. robert martins

    robert martins Jedi Master star 4

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    It's a good thing no one asked Biden about the Iraq war. He would of said George Washington should never have invaded Iraq.
     
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  4. Glitterstimm

    Glitterstimm Force Ghost star 6

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    And yet that is their sole purpose.
     
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  5. Lordban

    Lordban Isildur's Bane star 7

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    Oh, right, I'd missed that one.

    Did you even realize the cartoon you posted in the ****-posting thread uses a classic antisemitic trope for the puppeteer behind Biden?
     
  6. robert martins

    robert martins Jedi Master star 4

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    You make me laugh. Democrats are liked spoiled children who want to change the rules when they can't get what they want. The electoral college is the way we elect presidents, They lost fair and square but let's change it so we can get what we want. The supreme court is not stacked with Liberals, let change it so we can get what we want.
     
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  7. Darth Nerdling

    Darth Nerdling Force Ghost star 4

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    Hey, Bob, watch this. It makes it clear Biden isn't the only one who makes stupid gaffes at times. See how many mistakes you catch. Identifying at least half qualifies as very good for a Trumper! :D
     
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  8. Vaderize03

    Vaderize03 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Give me a cognitive! Give me a dissonance! Give me a cognitive dissonance!
     
  9. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Force Ghost star 7

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    Trump bawling his eyeballs out over mail in voting as if it were a new idea cooked up for this election, so angry and despondent that he hired a goon to dismantle the postal service. But we're the ones trying to change the rules.
     
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  10. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    Yes, downplaying the virus from the beginning, taking half-assed measures when overwhelming public opinion forces you to, actively working against medical doctors and scientists, announcing that the pandemic is over constantly even when cases are spiking, and then declaring a full surrender to the pandemic because it's all hard and stuff is what Trump did to 'control' COVID-19. Speaking of stupid gaffes, remember when Trump thought there were 18 other outbreaks of COVID because he's too idiotic to spend five seconds actually learning anything?
    Admit it, bob. Trump utterly failed America with the pandemic. A crisis happened, and he curled up in a ball and sobbed himself to sleep every night because he wasn't ****ing prepared, just like every one of his detractors predicted. He couldn't con or grift his way out of it.
    What, you mean like make up a ******** rule about not choosing a Supreme Court justice in an election year, and then throw out that rule when it comes to bite them in their ass?
    Oh, and Barrett herself argued that a very good reason to not replace Alito was that it would throw the ideological balance of the Supreme Court off - but apparently making every member a hard-core conservative doesn't! You failed again, bob. [face_laugh]
     
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  11. Kiki Jinn

    Kiki Jinn Jedi Knight star 3

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    So there’s a very simple calculation I keep thinking about...

    -Assume for the sake of argument we’ll have record turnout (a safe bet).
    -There’s far less undecideds this time.
    -The question then is simply, has Donald Trump expanded his voter base this time vs. 2016? Because if not (and he hasn’t), he’s in real trouble.
     
  12. Thena

    Thena Chosen One star 7

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    He's got lots of experience at failing! [face_rofl]

    I think everything he has done during the campaign shows his thing wasn't trying to expand his base, just double down on hatred and intolerance and solidify his voter base. But it doesn't seem to be working.
     
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  13. mnjedi

    mnjedi JCC Arena Game Host star 5 VIP - Game Host

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    You should. I mean a GOP governor has already given you the green light on voting for dead presidents.

    Plus I’m pretty sure @vncredleader is planning on writing in Ulysses S Grant. Hes a Republican, you could double his vote!

    PS that’s a joke vnc. No 5000 word indictment of me plz.
     
  14. Luke02

    Luke02 Chosen One star 6

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    Trump does not @dARTh Nerding know what " "Hydrosonic" means as he keeps saying it over and over and over and again during his COVID-19 rallies:



    Unlike Obama who not only caught his "47 states" gaffe and laugh about it, Trump is unable to do either and what is even more funny (and frightening) is he has nothing but yes men and ladies around him, nobody will take him aside and quietly go, "Ummmmm just so you know Hydrosonic is the name of a toothbrush as it's hypersonic missile". If he did he would only made the gaffe once which okay understandable but because he doesn't he made the same gaffe FIVE TIMES in the same day. I know it sounds something really small and irrelevant but when you pull back, it really is a good illustration of why the guy has been such a disaster not only as president but also as a "businessman". He cannot even have people around him to say, "actually that isn't correct" let alone have the self esteem/confidence to admit he is wrong and quickly change course. One of the few good things to come out of this as given myself and millions of educators across the country a perfect illustration of what not to be like in every way possible including so self delusional and so unconfident that you are unable to handle criticism or even someone just pointed out you made a honest mistake. As my wife calls Trump he is the anti-human meaning as the anthesis of every human should strive to be in every way possible.

    As for the polls, I think many people are failing to see that 2020 is not shaping up to be 2016 at least not yet. Dave Wasserman has some really good insights on to why:



    And for the 19999th time the national polls were NOT WRONG in 2016. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by basically three points. It was the state polls that were off though as Dave and others pointed out you could see the momentum going Trump's way two weeks before the election. That is not happening this time especially when you look at district races. Biden is either holding his lead or even in some places widening it as the map just seems to be teetering *fingers crossed* his way. Texas I still think is fool's gold (and the campaign is mostly feeling the same way as they are not throwing a ton of resources there outside of Harris doing one appearance on Saturday there) but Georgia really looks to be a toss up at this point as Biden's average lead there is 1.8 points. Now granted it's well within the margin of error and if I had to put money on it, I still think Trump will steal it but who would have even imagine a state like Georgia or even Arizona (which is getting to the point Trump seems to be ditching it's gotten so bad and is spending more resources in states that let's face are whiter) would be in play come 2020. That did not even seem like a possibly even a year ago at this time. The world truly has changed.
     
  15. Yodaminch

    Yodaminch Chosen One star 6

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    Just a quick reminder that these are the people where every sarcastic remark goes right over their head. Let’s not forget they tried to argue Biden’s sarcastic jab at calling Trump “Abraham Lincoln here” was supposed to be a sign his memory had failed. Instead, Biden’s remark went over Trump’s head and that of his supporters.

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    And gee @Luke02 , this is really going to make it difficult for Barr and the GOP to steal this election. I have faith they can of course, but Trump is really making them work for it.
     
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  16. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga + JCC Manager / Finally Won A Draft star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    did the thing this morning. issues i have with vp "listen, fat" aside, it was the easiest vote i've ever cast.

    also go jaime harrison and joe cunningham.
     
  17. Darth Nerdling

    Darth Nerdling Force Ghost star 4

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    Oh, that's a good point, and that's not one of the normal complaints that are made about it -- which seem to be that 538 should be able perfectly clairvoyantly predict the election outcome.

    The reason I check 538 is more along the lines of where you're coming from -- to see if Trump's chances will fall so low that it becomes virtually impossible for him to win -- and even at 12% right now, I would concede that's not low enough. Though a number like that does ease my worries just a little bit.

    I do think there's a some value in looking at its forecast. For instance, the electoral college makes eyeballing the race more difficult. Technically, Biden could win the popular vote by 75% to 25%, but if Biden got 100% of the vote in blue states, and Trump got 51% in red states and most swing states, Trump would win. Seeing a huge popular vote might convince voters Biden is destined to win, and if winner was decided by the popular vote winner, Biden would almost certainly be it, but 538 makes it clear that Trump has a clear chance of winning because of the polling is closer in the most important states.

    It also does a good job of showing which states are most likely to influence the final outcome, and narrowing down to the few that are most likely to be the tipping point states. Because of that, someone without much knowledge can look at their predictions and then watch election night and know that "Hey, if Biden wins AZ, FL, and NC, I can go to bed early because that means Biden's won it all, but if it's tight in PA, then it's time to worry and fear court challenges."

    IMO, its senate and house forecasts are actually more helpful. Calculating the future makeup of the senate is much more difficult because it's hard to look at the probabilities of individuals races and calculate in your head the overall probability that each party has of taking control of the senate. It would take a lot of time to look up polling for individual races, and then you'd have to weigh everything together -- a 75% chance of a win here, a 55% chance here, a 40% chance here. It's hard to know how that all comes together. But I all I have to do is glance at the senate forecast and I can see that the Dems have a slightly better than even shot of winning the senate, that they are very likely to gain seats, but it's almost impossible that they will gain a filibuster proof majority.
     
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  18. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    To the absolute surprise of no one, Susan Collins announces that she will vote 'no' on Barrett.

    Here's some advice for Susan Collins in her next life, because her political career is pretty much done at this point:
    1) Don't have Donald Trump campaigning in Maine around the time you announce this
    2) Make sure your fellow fake 'moderate Republican' Murkowski not announce her 'yes' vote before you say 'no', to at least somewhat disguise the blatant meaningless vote you're making.
     
  19. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    When the alternative is someone who said that neo-Nazis are “very fine people” and told the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by,” and put someone in charge of my profession who does not believe that my profession exists? (And don’t try to tell me he didn’t say it or that my sources are wrong because they aren’t right-wing blogs.)

    Absolutely. I would vote for a guy who thinks Dumbledore is on the ballot and Hogwarts is real before I would vote for that.

    But a challenge for you:

    Tell me, according to MY values, using sources that I use, why a vote for Trump aligns with my vision of what the country should be and therefore why he should have gotten my vote.

    As far as the Electoral College, it should be gone no matter who it benefits, because we should not be allowing slave owners to be part of the conversation about how we elect officials, and we never should have.
     
  20. vncredleader

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    not even hiding it at this point. You'll get 100 days of maybe no deportations, families locked up instead of separated, and a vast increase in US intervention in the global south. Chile is getting its new constitution, finally healing from what neoliberalism did to it, and Biden is sure to ruin all of that same with Bolivia. "progress" here is not even being offered, and it will be at the cost of the suffering and hard fought wins of the global south. I mean the guys hispanic outreach literally supports the Contras and jokes about them killing communists. Biden wants that nun-rapist vote, but yeah this will help the global south cause he wont say ****hole countries while he lets the CIA slit their children's throats

    Like they are blatantly announcing that this will be a new era of US corporate and CIA joint action against South America. I cant square that. Keep in mind Biden was vp when we couped Honduras. He praises and assists fascists to, people just dont wanna acknowledge that the Contras and the like are more fascist and dangerous than the proud boys are. It is hypocrisy to have that as a deal breaker but also accept someone who gives weapons to actual nazis in Ukraine and South America
    edit: I know the tweet is old, but I was reminded cause this tweet

    It is something constant and needs to be brought up in light of Bolivia and Chile. His policy promise has been to sell off South America. Something that matters more to me than our domestic politics
     
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  21. 3sm1r

    3sm1r Force Ghost star 6

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    @Darth Nerdling
    I don't dispute that 538 might be a good synthetic way of knowing what states are important. I was mostly complaining about the numerical models they do, in which they end up giving percentage of success to each candidate.
    Concerning the abundance of polls, I have issues with the more general concept of feeling the need to be constantly updated about the state of the race. It's an irrational, yet natural behavior that is in line with the mindset politics = sport of most mainstream media.
    At the end of the day, in most elections the data scientists simply do not know who will win, and I don't find it very useful to overthink their articles, ending up increasing our anxiety for virtually no reason. We must accept our ignorance of the outcome, and live with it.
    There is a big business behind elections, which is fed by people's anxiety and their desire for breaking news and shocking twists, and the obsession over polls is one of the manifestations of this.
     
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  22. Thena

    Thena Chosen One star 7

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    As they like to say south of the border, nadie sabe lo que pasará mañana.
     
  23. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    Lesley Stahl's facial expressions during her interview with Trump were priceless.
     
  24. JEDI-RISING

    JEDI-RISING Chosen One star 6

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    Trump says " Kamala will not become President , a socialist will not become President, especially a woman"
     
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  25. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    Got a love that blatant sexism
     
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